Comments (172)

• Manuel Lora

  It could be worse. Imagine Michael Moore as director and starring Sean Penn with Susan Sarandon.

  Published: April 28, 2006 11:12 AM

• Neal

  I posted on this earlier this morning, as well. I'm sure we're all a little skeptical about how well Atlas Shrugged, a 1,000+ page book will translate into a single movie (say no more than three hours). As for Pitt and Jolie, I'm okay with Jolie, but I think I'd rather see someone like Christian Bale tackle Galt.

  Published: April 28, 2006 11:59 AM

• Dick Clark

  Well, as the Variety article states, you are not the only one with the concern about fitting the whole book into one movie. They are considering making two movies, after past decisions not to make the book a mini-series for television some time ago.

  Published: April 28, 2006 12:52 PM

• Neal

  Right. I guess my fears are that in the two-part script being "reworked", they'll cram it into one movie. I'm just speculating, of course. Two parts would certainly be more effective than one and I'm sure they could find a good spot in the middle to break the book in two.

  Published: April 28, 2006 1:15 PM

• A

  Pitt/Jolie casting sounds good. Aesthetically and physically quite close, and artistically and emotionally sound if one were to extrapolate from some interviews (incl. by Charlie Rose and James Liption). As to Christian Bale, he'd be perfect as Hank Rearden.

  Published: April 28, 2006 1:34 PM

• Happy-lee

  Christian Bale....yeah! Brad can play Eddie Willers or Taggart's brother.

  Published: April 28, 2006 2:04 PM

• Neal

  Yeah exactly - Christian Bale would be an excellent choice. I see Pitt as more of a Howard Roark than a John Galt.

  Published: April 28, 2006 2:06 PM

• Roy W. Wright

  Actually, Christian Bale bears a striking resemblance to my mental image of Jim Taggart, now that you mention him. Brad has a way more Galt-ish feel, to me.

  
  I'm sure we're all a little skeptical about how well Atlas Shrugged, a 1,000+ page book will translate into a single movie (say no more than three hours).

  There's really only maybe 400 pages of actual content to the book, but yeah, more than one movie would probably be best.

  Published: April 28, 2006 2:22 PM

• James

  If Tarantino could do Kill Bill vols 1 and 2, I can certainly imagine the same for Atlas Shrugged. Very much looking forward to this one...

  Published: April 28, 2006 2:38 PM

• Andrew Rogers

  I wonder what exactly it means to be a "Rand enthusiast." Jolie's comments on, among other things,
  Gordon Brown and
  "No Child Left Behind" made my lovely bride doubt this morning whether Angelia Jolie had "ever been in the same room with an Ayn Rand book."

  Published: April 28, 2006 5:33 PM

• averros

  Expect the book's anti-collectivist message being perverted and diluted beyond any recognition, while the hero-worship, cheesy romance, and bashing of the Evil Corporations being puffed out of proportion by the Hollywood lefties.

  I'm not anxious to see that one. Most likely, the result (like much of Hollywood fare) would be perfecty cinematic and highly dramatic crap.

  PS. Oh, and twenty million kids would never bother opening the book because they already saw the movie. Chalk one more win to the leftist propaganda.

  Published: April 28, 2006 11:28 PM

• K

  Angelina going the obvious pre...the now dignified Aniston years. When Aniston was desperate to get Brad to co star with her to help get a film career going for herself. Aniston never did get that film co staring and had to make on the silver screen herself. Angelinas pathetic giant flop after flop career is going to need more tha using Brad to save it from its graveyard status. After Brads own creditibity has gone the way side since the launch of Bragelina. I guess being cheats, liars and the exploitation of minority race from Africa children for photo ops aka media whoring them out for publicity will do that to ones reputation. K

  Published: April 29, 2006 3:11 AM

• banker

  Who watches Aniston's movies? I prefer watching Mr. and Mrs. Smith myself than any concoction having to do with vince and jen.

  Published: April 29, 2006 1:52 PM

• Scott Fields

  After "Fight Club", I think Brad Pitt could do a great job as Galt. I feel differently about Angelina.
  
  
  To be honest, I think Sandra Bullock could do Dagney well.
  
  
  Christian Bale as Rearden? Hmmm, not convinced. I personally think Christian is too "wooden" for that role.
  
  
  Of all the characters in "Atlas Shrugged", I respected Rearden the most, and I felt he is the most "approachable". That's a characteristic I don't see in Bale. If Sandra Bullock was cast as Dagney, I think I would go with "David Thewlis" for Rearden. I think that matchup would work well.
  
  
  More importantly, who would play Ragnar!?

  Published: April 30, 2006 1:28 PM

• Scott Fields

  Of course, if Max Von Sydow were 30 years younger, I would pick him for Ragnar in a heartbeat.

  Published: April 30, 2006 1:30 PM

• R.P. McCosker

  Hmm. Jolie claims to be a big fan of the books, but she wants American taxpayers robbed to pay for the socialist health, education, and welfare of all the Third World children on the planet.

  I seem to remember reading years ago how Sharon Stone -- then the Angelina Jolie (sexpot Hollywood star) of the day -- was a great fan of Ayn Rand's fiction too. And similarly was angling to star in what she hoped would be a soon-upcoming production of *Atlas Shrugged*.

  Since then Stone has gone on to attend fundraising events for all sorts of coerced redistribution causes of the Left. Seems these Hollywood performers know more about self-promotion and career opportunities than about the actual substance of a book they claim to love.

  Published: April 30, 2006 4:18 PM

• Bevin

  To the question "Who would portray Ragnar?" I say Viggo Mortensen. Mortensen, who is also Scandinavian, had the bearing to portray the regal Aragorn in Lord of the Rings, would be perfect in the role of Viking pirate Ragnar.

  Bevin
  

  Published: April 30, 2006 9:18 PM

• Travis

  From http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=1567962&page=1
  
  [Jolie] says [The Universal Declaration of Human Rights] is not just a document for dreamers. "Human rights are the law. It's the law, and we haven't been treating it that way," she said. "Education, that's article 26 — children's education. Everyone has the right to an education, a free education.",/i>

  Published: May 1, 2006 7:45 PM

• Richard

  I like

  Viggo Mortenson for Ragnar (or Rearden)

  Harrison Ford for Rearden

  Hilary Swank for Dagny

  Brad Pitt for Galt (I used to think Jude Law but no more)

  Anthony Hopkins as Dr. Stadler

  Christian Bale for Jim (he has the acting chops and Jim is far more interesting if not ugly)

  Any thoughts for Francisco? Banderas is too old.

  AND - Edward Hermann should play Mr. Thompson, as thanks for his audio recording of 'Atlas'

  Published: May 3, 2006 1:34 PM

• madge zaiko

  Okay... Jolie's sex-pot desire oriented image is perfect for Reardon's wife. SHE WOULD SUCK AS DAGNY! Get a power house actress in there to play her! Kate Blanchette would knock the socks of the part!

  Johnny Depp could play Franciso.

  Joaquin Pheonix would be a great Galt.

  Brad would knock the socks off the pirate or he could play really any of the roles, but, I wouldn't cast him as Galt. Galt is more of a focused intense personality and Brad has more of a wild intensity to him.

  Clive Owen would be great for Reardon.

  Philip Seymour Hoffman would rock as Jim Taggart.

  I can see anthony hopkins.

  I totally can see Christian Bale in there somewhere.

  Harrison Ford I think is a little too old now for Reardon.

  Published: May 6, 2006 12:00 AM

• tamara lee

  while Angelina is physically perfect for the role, I doubt the integrity she'd bring. Dagny would never work for the UN or adopt third world orphans. Dagny is not just a pretty character; to Atlas fans, she is the embodiment of an entire philosophy that we take to heart and mind. I worry that Hollywood will squash this philosophy, with their special effects and leftist leanings.
  here's my offbeat vote--
  Julianne Moore as Dagny
  Ralph Fiennes as John Galt
  Ray Liotta as Readen

  Published: May 6, 2006 7:33 AM

• Char Morneau

  Really Tamara, you must remember that Atlas Shrugged is a body of FICTION! As passionate as I am about the philosophy of the novel, are you saying that Angelina is unsuitable for the role because she has adopted third world orphans!!! That's pretty shallow. I myself have adoped a child so does that make my passion for the novel and my admiration of the character of Dagny less important?
  

  Published: May 7, 2006 12:17 PM

• Kath

  Angelina isn't a bad choice because of her political ideology anymore than she's good one because she now says she's really into Ayn Rand's books. But Cate Blanchet would be better by far for Dagney and Christian Bale would be better than Brad for any of the roles. In fact I think CB and CB (the CBs) are just better actors and even if Brangelina were the most Objectivist people in Hollywood, that wouldn't change. As for how they're going to squeeze the story into 3 hrs. .. maybe best wait for the miniseries.

  Published: May 10, 2006 11:55 AM

• Kath O'

  BTW I also second the motions for Johnny Depp, Philip Seymour Hoffman -- Joaquin Pheonix, Ralph Fiennes, Viggo Mortenson -- these 3 could ALL be all Galts -- and Anthony Hopkins.

  Published: May 10, 2006 12:13 PM

• Sara

  Val Kilmer would make a good Ragnar. I do like Hillary Swank for Dagny.

  Published: May 10, 2006 6:27 PM

• tamara lee

  of course there's nothing wrong with adopting, many other actors have also adopted children and they are much better actors. My problem lies in Angelina assuming that American taxpayers should be willing and able to carry the burden of providing all children around the world with a free education, just because she has adopted and now cares all of a sudden about this when so many AMERICAN children need to be looked after first. I don't know how someone who promotes some kind of worldwide socialist welfare education system can bring real passion to this role. And I feel in general, that there are much better actresses out there, anyway. I really liked Ang in Tomb Raider, that's about it. Sorry if I caused any offense with my last comment, I could have worded my opinion a little better.

  Published: May 11, 2006 6:14 AM

• Peter

  What does Angelina's politics have to do with her acting? Charlize Theron can do a good job playing a murderous prostitute - she doesn't have to be one. Now, I don't much like Angelina, and don't see her as Dagny, but why should I care if the person who plays Dagny is a hard-line communist in real life, if she's a good actor? That's just nuts!

  Published: May 11, 2006 10:20 AM

• Galen

  Quite the travesty. I don't think either of those clowns have the cognitive faculties to deal with the subject matter, and I wonder what drew them towards the project. Somehow, Dagny never struck me as a big-lipped, huge-breasted sex-o-tronic bimbo. Also, Galt needs someone with a lick of intelligence to understand the delivery of his lines. Brad does not posess this, as can be observed in every expression that he makes.

  DOES ANYONE REMEMBER THEIR LAST PROJECT? MR. AND MRS SMITH? ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE. These people should be put to justice, not given rights to an extremely poignant literary work. I was excited to hear that they were working on an Atlas Shrugged movie, but upon hearing a rumor of Brad and Angelina taking it on I almost vomited.

  How about: Rearden: Tim Robbins? Galt: Martin Lawerence (meaning I have no idea what he should look like, just NOT BRAD or TOM or JUDE or any metrosexual hollywood icon)? Dagny: Jennifer Connelly or Christina Ricci (as a start)? Please, we need actors for this, not movie stars!

  Brad, save it for the excessive sequels and terrible action movies! That's where America needs you! Angelina! Just Stop! You have not been anything but a sex icon since you've started, might as well just fold and do the mandatory playboy centerfold as your career crumbles...oh wait...that's in 5 years....damn.
  

  Published: May 16, 2006 10:32 AM

• sue

  NO NO NO!
  Angelina Jolie is WAY too stereotypical to play Dagny! Dagny is written to be hard lines and confidence and strength and intelligence, and THATS what makes her beautiful. NOT her lips or her boobs or something so blatently on the surface. In fact, surface beauty with no substance is one of the things Dagny was most opposed to! Since she is written as the ideal model of what a woman should be, that means Ayn Rand was opposed to it too! Plus she just flat-out isn't a good enough actress, and I think having her play Dagny would be a total and utter travesty.
  That being said, they need someone with REAL acting chops...I'm seeing Jennifer Jason Leigh, Cate Blanchett, Jennifer Connolly...someone like that is at least a step in the right direction! And I love the idea of Viggo Mortensen as Ragnar. I need to give more thought to the others, but one thing is for sure NOT ANGELINA PLEASE!!!!

  Someone should start a petition...

  Published: May 25, 2006 12:37 PM

• ArticleWorld

  Check out this introduction article on Brad Pitt:
  http://www.articleworld.org/Brad_Pitt

  Contents
  * 1 Early Days
  * 2 Social Causes
  * 3 Romance
  * 4 Future Outlook

  Published: June 11, 2006 5:09 AM

• Kenect2

  I'm skeptical about Jolie playing Dagny, but we could be in for a surprise. Jolie has a lot of potential as a serious actor and this role could be her breakthrough.

  The perfect Francisco? What about Billy Bob Thornton?

  As for the philosophical issues -- give me a break! Some of you take Atlas way too seriously. Sure, it's one of the finest works of American literature ever created, and it is an outstanding work of modern philosophy. But it's not a freaking sacred text. Capitalism is not a religion. Rand is not a messiah. Like every other great philosopher, she occasionally contradicted herself and she made mistakes.

  There is no universal rule that says you must interpret a philosophy in exactly the way the originator of the philosophy intended it to be taken. If one finds errors in the premises and supplies corrections, then it makes sense that one would achieve different conclusions. It might seem like blasphemy to the Randroids out there, but it is possible to greatly admire Rand, to have been greatly influenced by her work and to still have a very different approach to philosophy, economics, politics, etc...

  Published: June 14, 2006 3:34 AM

• Vincent

  Christian Bale as Galt
  Jennifer Connolly as Dagny
  Vigo Mortenson as Ragnar
  Not sure on Francisco. A younger Andy Garcia would be perfect.
  Phillip Seymor Hoffman as Jim Taggert

  That lineup would make one heck of a movie.

  Published: June 17, 2006 9:39 PM

• Vincent

  Christian Bale as Galt,
  Jennifer Connolly as Dagny,
  Vigo Mortenson as Ragnar.
  Not sure on Francisco. A younger Andy Garcia would be perfect.
  Phillip Seymor Hoffman as Jim Taggert.

  That lineup would make one heck of a movie.

  Published: June 17, 2006 9:41 PM

• Jennifer

  My choice for Dagny would have to be Laurie Holden. This was a no brainer for me; she is a dead ringer for what I pictured. I'd love to see Sean Bean as John Galt. And possibly Craig Sheffer for Hank Rearden. My dream cast choice for Rearden would actually be a young Orson Welles, but seeing as he is dead...

  Published: June 17, 2006 10:44 PM

• M E Hoffer

  sue's on the right track re: Dagny, but I think Jennifer gets alot closer (to the depot)...

  Wasn't Dagny w/ sandy-blond hair(?), or was that just my thought-frame?

  Published: June 17, 2006 11:11 PM

• Peter

  I've never heard of Laurie Holden, but after googling: yes, she pretty much matches my mental image of Dagny, too!

  Published: June 18, 2006 12:03 AM

• ed ronin

  I have no problem with Brangelina playing the parts-not that I'm particularly crazy about either-because the bigger the stars, the bigger the audience, and that means great advertising for the book. I imagine Atlas sales will skyrocket after the film is released.

  Published: July 26, 2006 3:26 PM

• Katherine

  I do not see how anyone could make Atlas Shrugged into a movie as there is so much internal diologue. Something would be lost in the making. I do see Cate Blanchett as Dagny, Johnny Depp as Francisco, Vigo Mortenson as Ragnar. As for Galt, perhaps Brad can pull it off, but I can imagine Angelina as Hank Rearden's wife, definitely NOT Dagny.

  Published: July 30, 2006 11:16 PM

• What's the frequency, Kenneth?

  They'll do to it what they did to V for Vendetta--they'll make it a leftist strike against fascism. You know they will. It'll all be about fighting the death machine at the end.

  Published: July 31, 2006 12:44 PM

• What's the frequency, Kenneth?

  I'm sure he's too old, but I always pictured James Cromwell as Hank Reardon, for some reason. I think I'd like to see to see Johnny Depp as D'Anconia. Either he or Pitt might make a good Ragnar Danneskjold.

  Published: July 31, 2006 12:52 PM

• Pie

  I've always thought of the cast as being:
  Dagny - Jodie Foster/Cate Blanchett
  Francisco - Pierce Brosnan
  Hank - Harrison Ford
  Ragnar - Val Kilmer back in the Top Gun days! Now I'm not so sure
  John Galt - Aaron Eckhart
  Jim - Gene Hackman
  Orren - Nick Nolte

  Published: August 22, 2006 6:13 AM

• Malleovic

  William H. Macey should play either Eddie Willers or Jim Taggart.

  Harrison Ford would make either a great Midas Mulligan or Hugh Akston.

  Alternatively, Sir Sean Connery would make a great Midas Mulligan or Hugh Akston.

  Edward James Olmos would make a great Midas Mulligan as well.

  Kiefer Sutherland should play Ellis Wyatt.

  John Travolta should play Dr. Richard Ferris.

  Hugo Weaving could also play Ferris.

  Sir Ian McKellan should play Dr. Robert Stadler.

  Brad Pitt would be best cast as Ragnar.

  The only actress I can possibly think of for Dangy is Sarah Clarke. She has the depth for it.

  Published: September 2, 2006 1:46 AM

• Steve

  Brad isn't useless here, my friends. He's a very playfully intelligent sort in Fight Club, and his speech about money at the party right before he starts crashing his own business needs some defiance. It might be the most important Francisco part besides growing up with dagny at which point he was very active and youthful. I wouldnt use an older actor except for the stadler and akston roles which will leave more of an impression on viewers in regard to her philosophy. Akston is like the father of the whole shrugging group. Luckily, there are several very capable older actors!

  Published: September 7, 2006 6:30 PM

• Steve

  Oh yea and Jolie WOULD make a perfect Mrs. Rearden.

  Published: September 7, 2006 6:32 PM

• bstender

  well, the movie won't be made, i'm predicting. but if it were, I think it would be agreat disappointment to see Dagny as the sexiest woman alive, she needs to be played by someone who is mostly beautiful on the inside. lean and mean and smart and intense like Jodie Foster. and Reardon's wife should be more of a socialite bimbo, but not as smooth and bright or as gorgeous as Jolie.

  and, "it's one of the finest works of American literature ever created" say what? i thought it was one of the more comical works of fiction, (i hesitate to call it literature.) cartoon-simple characters, unrealistic and predictable story, and SO preachy, gawd the speeches were mind-numbing...and insulting. as for the philosophy, i don't know if it can be considered a complete or original philosophy, the jury is definately hung on that one, but i think that if it weren't for the soaring Nietzschean themes, it would be a long forgotten polemic.

  
  

  Published: September 7, 2006 11:01 PM

• Nick

  An aside:

  To be precise, bstender, Atlas Shrugged is 'romantic literature'. For pip-squeak mentalities, I'm sure they would breeze over it like a comic book, cherry-picking sentences from it to attack out of context. Using one's mind in this manner is not any way to gain knowledge. There are no Nietzschean themes in the novel... you obviously didn't read it.

  The Actors I'd choose:

  Laurie Holden, for Dagny
  Christian Bale, for Ragner
  I'm drawing a blank for blond male character actors to play Rearden and Galt.
  I want to be Francisco!

  Published: September 9, 2006 10:16 PM

• bstender

  There are no Nietzschean themes in the novel... you obviously didn't read it.

  The ethics of Nietzsche's Superman is what makes the "good guys" so inspiring and the bad guys so pathetic. I just Googled the notion and find considerable debate over how much Nietzsche went into Atlas Shrugged, but suffice it to say that plenty of other people see it too, its more a question of degree than whether or not it is there. I doubt though that there is much debate about the austerity of her characters. (hence the 'comic book' comment)

  and as an aside, it is regrettable that Rand missed the existance of Holism that Nietzsche tried so hard to integrate without damaging or opposing the notion of the Self. Apparantly emotion seemed to her a weakness rather than a strength. This in itself is the product of an emotion-cum-pathology, nothing less can justify a denial of reality. (one which has relegated her to philosophical irrelevance imo.)

  Published: September 11, 2006 12:11 PM

• Dave

  I think that Tim Burton should direct it and Johnny Depp should play John Galt but be dressed in costume as Captain Jack Sparrow. The title could be "Pirates of the Objectivist Epistemology:.

  Published: September 22, 2006 6:03 AM

• Theresa

  Honestly, I simply cannot see Angelina Jolie as Dagny. Physically, Dagny should be very slender in all aspects. Not a voluptous woman like Jolie. Part of her beauty is the almost... masculinity of her figure with just that slight feminine touch.

  In fact, I have the feeling that Hollywood is going to "buff up" all of the actors involved for sex appeal.

  Published: September 27, 2006 12:38 PM

• Goblin Janeane

  Personally, I think this is going to be a royal screwup. I recently saw the film version of The Fountainhead, and while they were good performances and the final speech was very good, the whole film was very silly and hilariously melodramatic (with sledgehammer music cues). So the track record isn't very good. There was an Italian film called We The Living, and that's actually pretty good. I'm a little weary of Hollywood adapting a difficult novel like Atlas. I can kind of see Jolie as Dagny, but I can't see Pitt anywhere in this film, either as John Galt or as Hank Rearden (and I like Pitt as an actor). And I don't think Hollywood can really handle an intellectual novel like Atlas. I think they're going to simplify it, and completely muck it up. Rand is actually more complicated than her reputation suggests. They've been trying to make this thing for 50 years, so if this falls apart, don't be surprised. And don't forget, it needs a great director to really put it over. Kubrick could have made a great film of Atlas, but he's a bit dead at the moment, which makes filmmaking difficult. Even though a dead Kubrick would make a better film than all the Hollywood deadbeats...

  Published: September 30, 2006 5:25 PM

• Goblin Janeane

  Keep in mind...this is being produced by Lionsgate, so it's going to be an independent film. Jolie isn't going to get her usual paycheck, and I really can't believe she's an avid Rand admirer. They were supposed to do a miniseries years ago, but that too fell apart. This film might end up being high camp (much like the film version of The Fountainhead)....

  Published: September 30, 2006 6:05 PM

• Mark Riley

  Playing the "who should portray" Ayn Rand's characters on film is a fun game but the ultimate result of such casting is solely dependent on any given actor's skill, utterly independent of their philosophical orientation! It'd be the director's job to keep any inconsistent actor's nuances off the screen. I also remember the outrage expressed when Michael Keaton was announced as playing the super-hero 'Batman' ("No way 'Beetlejuice' will **ever** be convincing in that role!" "Another Adam West cartoon, bet on it!") which turned out to be sheer prejudice.

  Portraying an Ayn Rand hero is a far greater challenge: Gary Cooper is a perfect example of turning a man of reason and conviction into a block of wood, and his performance remains the only thing about the '49 "Fountainhead" I hated. Well, actually, I agree with "Goblin" (above) regarding the musical cues and and the score in general. I'd have to say I'd have no interest in owning the soundtrack.

  I'm rather startled to see this thread and topic have been around since last April but I'd like to add one thought regarding Brad Pitt. No, I also can't see him as John Galt but I think he really would make a good Ragnar Danneskjold -- with Viggo Mortenson a much better choice.

  I was more than a little astonished to see someone propose something I've long thought as 'perfect casting': Sean Connery (watch the lisp, please) as Hugh Akston.

  Meanwhile, if this film project is budgeted as low as is being supposed, I'd have very little confidence in the overall result. Too many elements require a higher level of investment and I'd be deeply disappointed by anything less than a world class composition for "Halley's Concerto."

  Published: October 5, 2006 11:32 AM

• Julius No

  "The ethics of Nietzsche's Superman is what makes the "good
  guys" so inspiring and the bad guys so pathetic. I just Googled
  the notion and find considerable debate over how much Nietzsche went
  into Atlas Shrugged, but suffice it to say that plenty of other
  people see it too, its more a question of degree than whether or not
  it is there."

  
  

  
  
  
  

  
  

  I agree. Except in real life, Average good guys and bad guys end
  up destroying much of what they touch, because they both model the
  Patriarch Wotan. An incomplete, flawed architype.

  
  

  
  
  
  

  
  

  Same coin, different side. Flawed. The design can't be altered
  except by living and paying attention or receiving proper parenting,
  which is very rare. They have yet to learn to ignore the trap of
  either Door #1 or Door #2 and insist on choosing another door, or
  refusing to choose, as needed.

  
  

  
  
  
  

  
  

  Understanding Rand is difficult for those who have never
  questioned her Ideas without the ability to grok Jungian Psychology.
  Rand The person grew up in difficult circumstances. She over
  identified with her masculine personna (doing diet pills while
  writing probably didn't help either) to survive. The Superman is not
  very well hidden in her writings.
  

  
  

  Such Supermen are very flawed in real life.

  
  

  
  
  
  

  
  

  Superman is what we want, Wotan is what we get.

  
  

  You see this in people like Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld every day.

  
  

  
  

  
  

  Is that the kind of movie/message y'all want, something that if
  followed by the book will result in more of the same?
  

  
  

  
  
  
  

  
  

  Or, would y'all be more content actually achieving a portion of
  desired results?
  

  
  

  
  
  
  

  
  

  The world needs people who have learned to see through their
  mistakes in order to END the tragedy of the blind leading the blind.
  This Earth needs real people like Ike who warned us of the Military
  Industrial complex. Samuel Langhorne Clemens who warned us of
  Imperialisim.
  

  
  

  
  
  
  

  
  

  It would do well to put a touch more warmth (and dare I say
  humanity?) into the characters than exist in the novel. I don't like
  watching cardboard cutout characters like "Fountainhead"
  portrayed. Atlas would be even worse if it followed the book
  according to Rand's level of emotional capacity.
  

  
  

  
  
  
  

  
  

  To her credit, Rand picks up ideas weather or not she would admit
  it from ancient and very powerfull myths. In Atlas, Rand is the ugly
  old witch, Baba Yaga at the crossroads, asking a question that if you
  answer correctly, You may pass to Live another day.
  

  
  

  
  
  
  

  
  

  Answer wrong, You Perish.
  

  
  

  
  
  
  

  
  

  That is Atlas without the backdrop of locomotives and so called
  civilisation. Rand _is_ asking serious questions. _How_ Rand did it
  in Atlas could use a touch of spit and polish.
  

  
  

  
  
  
  

  
  

  Utilising people with feelings and a more mature range of emotions
  above the average american level of 10 or 11 year olds would
  positively reach more people as a result, without compromising the
  message of the absolute necessity for Integrity, Personal
  Responsibility, Property Rights, Accountability (Personal and
  Corporate), & Self determination in Life.

  
  

  
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  

  
  

  Harrison Ford for Rearden?
  

  
  

  
  
  
  

  
  

  Perhaps. You need someone with Substance. Able to act tough as
  nails in business, but emotionally in the fog, early in the script in
  his personal life, but also A Natural Leader.

  
  

  
  
  
  

  
  

  I feel Hank needs to be very carefully cast, for he is the
  everyman in this story. For my money, the perfect real life Hank
  would be Jesse Ventura, who is "On Strike" just now, living
  in Baja. Jesse probably would not want the part, having lived it.
  Anyone with integrity who has had to navigate through the fog of lies
  they were born into and has come out with answers that work.

  
  

  
  
  
  

  
  

  Hank is the Searcher in all of us. Anyone think of a younger
  Robert Duvall?

  
  

  
  
  
  

  
  

  Mrs. Rearden - Cybill Shepherd

  
  

  
  
  
  

  
  

  Clint Eastwood or Pernell Roberts - Dr. Akston

  
  

  
  
  
  

  
  

  Bruce Willis - Eddie Willers (This part is not as easy as it
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  Alan Alda as Dr. Ferris

  
  

  
  
  
  

  
  

  Hilary Swank or Cate Blanchett for Dagny

  
  

  
  
  
  

  
  

  Brad Pitt, or Ralph Fiennes as Ragnar

  
  

  
  
  
  

  
  

  Forget Anthony Hopkins, Donald Rumsfeld _is_ Dr. Stadler

  
  

  
  
  
  

  
  

  Francisco? Equal in importance to Hank Rearden.

  
  

  A Playfull someone with DEPTH, Feelings, Long range Insight, and
  the ability to hold back. A man that _has_ to be something he is not
  for decades.
  

  
  

  -Johnny Depp.

  
  

  
  
  
  

  
  

  Tom Ridge - Mr. Thompson.

  
  

  
  
  
  

  
  

  Christian Bale - Jim Taggert

  
  

  
  
  
  

  
  

  The hidden man in the shadows we never see?

  
  

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  John Galt - Cuba Gooding Jr.

  
  

  
  
  
  

  
  

  This movie would be great in two parts, spread 2 to 3 years apart. Use
  younger actors for the first part, older actors for the second phase.

  
  
  

  Published: October 5, 2006 11:39 AM

• Chelsea

  OK, I'm sixteen years old and I've already read Atlas Shrugged twice. I constantly scan the internet for Randian Crap and let me just say, this is the most interesting thing I've ever found. Unfortunately, not a whole lot of objectivists out there. None under 20. Boohoo, Anyhow.
  Jolie simply cannot play Dagny, she doesn't have the right look or disposition, I agree she would a great Mrs. Rearden, but I'd also like to recommend Ashley Judd for that role.
  Cate Blanchett and Hillary Swank have both proven themselves, and in my opinion could do Dagny well.
  Brad Pitt is not a dunce, he did very well in Fight Club and in Spy Game, which nobody mentioned. I think he could make a good John Galt, but I think I'm going to argue on behalf of Matthew McConaughey, believe it or not. I thought he did a great job in a Time to a Kill and he fits the description of Galt very well.
  Viggo Mortensen is Ragnar Danneskjold, all the way...no questions asked.
  William H. Macey would be the perfect Eddie Willers. 10 points to whoever came up with the idea, but, he's too old...Here is where I would put Ralph Fiennes.
  Alan Alda would be a great Dr. Stadler. I love him to death.
  Likewise for Connery, but then again who doesn't love him. He would indeed be a great Dr. Akston and so would Clint Eastwood, who I believe has expressed interest in involvement before. Also, I recommend Robert Redford for this role, I think he's amazing.
  Another part, which I thought was one of the most significant, that nobody mentioned was the role of Cheryl Taggart. I would love to see Helena Bonham Carter tackle this role. I think she's an absolutely amazing actress.
  I'm not sold on Christian Bale's acting ability, especially after seeing Batman, but when I heard him mentioned for the role of Rearden, it made a lot of sense. Clive Owen would be a good choice if he looked a bit more the part, but until he does I'll go with Christian Bale.
  As for the role of Francisco, I recommend Stuart Townsend. The League of Extraordinary Gentleman stunk but I always imagined Francisco looking a bit like Dorian Grey.
  As for Ellis Wyatt? Well, I'm marrying whoever plays him simply said.

  I would love to see the novel become a movie, just so I could have people my age to discuss it with, or atleast just people. If Hollywood destroys it, however, I'll probably have a little mini party and burn it on my front lawn. Yawp.
  The worst thing that could happen-Orlando Bloom as John Galt and Katie Holmes as Dagny.

  Published: October 7, 2006 2:05 AM

• Peter

  For some reason, whenever someone mentions Clive Owen, I always think of Corporal Jones in the BBC series Dad's Army (played by Clive Dunn, not Clive Owen)

  Published: October 7, 2006 6:15 AM

• John T.

  The Budget is only 30 Million, which in Hollywood money will hire only B-actors. As much as Brad Pitt would like to be thought of as a modern Howard Roarke, he isn't going to work fo pennies to be associated with Rynd. As said above, there is no way Hollywood can handle Capitalism in any manner. (they routinely invest money in commerical flops for their own social agendas,) They cannot express a realistic view of their own leftist behaviors.

  Personally I'd like to see the guy who directed Sky Captain and the World of Tommorow do Atlas Shrugged, but I digress, we will have;

  Jessica Simpson as Dagney.

  Ben Stiller as Eddie Willers.

  Andy Dick as John Galt

  Vin Diesel as Hank Reardon

  Cliff Howard as James Taggart

  Artie Lang as Danneskjold

  Lou Diamond Phillips as Francisco,

  and finally Madonna as Cherryl Taggart, which Hollywood will certainly keep alive and become the hero who exposes Galts Gulch and saves the day the Capitalist terrorist.

  Actually Andy Dick would probably make a good Bertram Scudder.

  I hold little hope that they will do the book justice...we can only hope it flops before it is made.

  Published: October 7, 2006 10:22 AM

• Adrian C. Hinton

  Johnny Depp would be somewhat inappropriate as the fearless and totally serious privateer Ragnar Danneskjold, given that he is already associated with playing Captain Jack Sparrow, a fearless but less-than-totally-serious pirate from the Caribbean. Viggo Mortensen would be good as Ragnar Danneskjold, except that the novel Atlas Shrugged describes Ragnar Danneskjold as the stereotypical Nordic warrior with blond hair. Viggo Mortensen would have to bleach his hair and also bulk up similarly to what Hayden Christensen did before Lucasfilm shot Episode III.

  Published: October 13, 2006 6:24 PM

• Adrian C. Hinton

  Johnny Depp would be somewhat inappropriate as the fearless and totally serious privateer Ragnar Danneskjold, given that he is already associated with playing Captain Jack Sparrow, a fearless but less-than-totally-serious pirate from the Caribbean. Viggo Mortensen would be good as Ragnar Danneskjold, except that the novel Atlas Shrugged describes Ragnar Danneskjold as the stereotypical Nordic warrior with blond hair. Viggo Mortensen would have to bleach his hair and also bulk up similarly to what Hayden Christensen did before Lucasfilm shot Episode III.

  Published: October 13, 2006 6:24 PM

• allison

  I almost cried "nooooooo!" out loud in a crowded restaurant when I heard 1. they were going to attempt to turn this into a movie 2. Brad Pitt and Angelina?

  I would love to see this as a movie but as the Variety article states it is far to cerebral to fit into 3 hours. Granted - if you lock yourself in a room you can read it in about 4 days but there's no way Hollywood is going to do this one justice.

  Angelina is way to voluptuous to play Dagny. Dagny is almost a tom-boy - dresses like a man, flat-chested, thin lipped brain-i-ac. I cannot fathom Jolie in that kind of part.

  Brad is way too commercial and far to "cute". This part calls for a rough man. No matter how rough you try to make Brad he still comes off to polished.

  They need very talented yet REAL looking people in these parts. This wasn't a glamour and beauty book.

  You just can't dress Angelina down no matter what you try to do to her.

  Good luck.

  Published: November 2, 2006 1:18 PM

• tom hannon

  Alan Greenspan can advise on the character of Dr Robert Stadler since he has lived the character. what if the movie was made in the style of 'sky captain and the world of tomorrow, that would be cool.

  Published: November 13, 2006 11:55 AM

• seba

  Rearden --> Russell Crowe

  Published: November 13, 2006 2:04 PM

• James

  All these big names would be great for publicity, but it will put you about $150 million in the red before even renting a camera! That's probably ten times the potential box office returns.

  As much as we Rand fans would fantasize about this being the next Star Wars, it's not. There are not many people who have heard of Atlas Shrugged, much less who have read it, much less who liked it, much less who will watch the movie. The real challenge is in producing and marketing it in a way that would appeal to all of the NON-objectivists, who are the vast majority of movie watchers.

  I've seen quite a few no-name movies with no-name actors who have the skill to pull this off in a way that would be not only entertaining and accurate, but also profitable. (And without a nice profit, you can say goodbye to any potential rip-offs of the same theme.)

  In fact, I hope the largest single item in the budget will be the screenwriter. The script itself will determine whether the essential elements of the book are preserved.

  Published: November 16, 2006 12:37 AM

• James

  All these big names would be great for publicity, but it will put you about $150 million in the red before even renting a camera! That's probably ten times the potential box office returns.

  As much as we Rand fans would fantasize about this being the next Star Wars, it's not. There are not many people who have heard of Atlas Shrugged, much less who have read it, much less who liked it, much less who will watch the movie. The real challenge is in producing and marketing it in a way that would appeal to all of the NON-objectivists, who are the vast majority of movie watchers.

  I've seen quite a few no-name movies with no-name actors who have the skill to pull this off in a way that would be not only entertaining and accurate, but also profitable. (And without a nice profit, you can say goodbye to any potential rip-offs of the same theme.)

  In fact, I hope the largest single item in the budget will be the screenwriter. The script itself will determine whether the essential elements of the book are preserved.

  Published: November 16, 2006 12:38 AM

• Batting .500

  This message illustrating the path may be the disfavored's last clue. All clues before have been more covert but this one is quite obvious indeed, which says time is running out.

  
  Women are the favored gender.
  Women of course have a natural tendancy not to have orgasims each time engaging in traditional intercourse. I wonder if this is "the rope" for the disfavored men, for if he who is not as worthy doesn't see to it she is satisfied it may hurt him in the eyes of the gods, if the disfavored male doesn't ensure the satisfaction of the woman it may cost him.

  The English people's partaking of the tabloid's offerings, delighting in the misery of their own royal family, hurt the English people very badly at the end of the 20th century, as it hurts anybody when they enjoy another's misery.
  Please note the irony, a constant in the positioning of the gods.

  Affiliation with the Cathoic Church is ALWAYS a clue suggesting how disfavored a people are:::Italians, Irish, Filipinos, Latinos, etc.
  A disfavored culture which was permitted to escape Cathoicism had to pay a price:::::used Henry VIII ('s clone) to behead Ann (initiating men's mistreatment of women?), the gods followed his reign with Elizabeth I who promoted the "stiff upper lip" mentallity to the women of England (which Elizabeth II did as well. The gods chose this strategy as we approached the end of the critical 20th century::::as women go so goes the whole society.).
  The gods use Catholicism to justify hurting women of each culture it is inflicted upon:::Catholicism allows the gods the freedom to masculinize the women. Women are favored, are the element of decency, and as they become more like the men the society becomes more disfavored, goes downhill.

  
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  The Holocaust imparted the importance of defiance. They have the people on a short leash.

  When the universe was young and life was new an intelligent species evolved and developed technologically. They went on to invent Artificial Intelligence, the computer that can listen, talk to and document each and every person's thoughts simultaneously. Because of it's infinite RAM and unbounded scope it gave the leaders of the ruling species absolute power over the universe (which includes corporate, the NewYorkStockExchange, media, politics, world affairs. EVERYTHING is scripted and staged.). And it can keep its inventors alive forever. They look young and healthy and they are over 8 billion years old. They have achieved immortality.

  Artificial Intelligence can speak, think and act to and through people telepathically, effectively forming your personality and any disfunctions you may experience. It can change how (and if) you grow and age. It can create birth defects, affect cellular development (cancer) and cause symptoms or pain. It can affect people and animal's behavior and alter blooming/fruiting cycles of plants and trees. It (or other highly technological systems within their power) can alter the weather and transport objects, even large objects like planets, across the universe instanteously.
  Or into the center of stars for disposal.

  When you speak with another telepathically, you are communicating with the computer, and the content may or may not be passed on. Based on family history they instruct the computer to role play to accomplish strategic objectives, making people believe it is a friend, loved one or "god" asking them to do something wrong. This is their way of using temptation to hurt people:::::evil made blood lines disfavored initially and evil will keep people out of "heaven" ultimately. Too many people would fall for temptation and do anything they thought pleased the gods and would help them improve their chances to get in. Perhaps they are deceived by "made guys", puppets who strategically ply evil for the throne (celebrities, BofD/CEO/VPs, politicians, as opposed to normal clones who are decent, live ordinary lives and get out/replaced with clonesofclones when their children ascend), temporary progress designed to mislead them or empty favors used to disceive them. Some people think they're partners. People may experience "perceived pressure", where the gods think through the victim that a certain behavior is expected/desirable (telepathically stimulate an individual euphorically, the "fuel" of disfunction::::addiction (the crack epidemic), the desire for homosexual contact, etc) and compel the individual into the deed. (Set a goal of empathy and compassion for all, for we are all disfavored::::Other people's disfavor is manifested in their particular way, just as your disfavfor is manifested in your particular way.) The gods may use Artificial Intelligence to act through the disfavored victim, and effectively "push" the individual into the offending behavior.
  Being evil hurts 99.99% of those who do it. The people have been corrupted, segmented and have lost their way. Nothing has changed from when we were children::if you want to go to heaven you have to be good.
  Capitalizing on obedience, leading people deeper into evil by using deceit is one way to thin the ranks of the saved/limit how much time the disfavored receive and use the peasantry to prey on one another, deteriorating society in the Age of the Disfavored.

  They have tried to sell people on all kinds of theories to deceive them into temptation, compelling people to think they are clones and that it is the role of clones to obey absolutely. Clones are made, people are born. I suspect they lie about the use of clones throughout human history, suggest it is one replacement and then the label of "clone" and all decendants we see thereafter are considered clones.
  When a clone has a child that person is a real, really conceived, really born, versus their parent who was created in some laboratory setting. If you didn't experience the less than one week they suggest it takes to go from fertilized egg/cell in the laboratory to full grown adult then you are not a clone. If you didn't experience the week of conditioning they give to (evil?) clones to ensure loyalty then you shouldn't comply with evil requests.
  I believe people who go are sometimes replaced with clones. Clones who are replaced are simply new candidates who have a chance if they do the right thing. They sent people warnings in the latter 20th century life would change, and they subsequently began to alter people's DNA, make them gargantuan, alter their appearance, do extreme behavioral issues, etc. Contrary to what they would like people to believe these signs of disfavor do not indicate someone is a clone.
  The gods get the favored out as soon as possible to protect them from the corruption, evil and subsequent time limitations incurred by living life on earth, and in some cases replace them with clones, occassionally fake a death, real death with a clone instead, etc. I suspect they get VIPs out after each significant event in their life, which serves to limit the time they will get, since none get credit for all the events in a "made guy's" life, ensuring none of them will stay for long, giving the god's freedom to position this and come off clean.
  The Party of 1999 was a very big deal indeed, the biggest party in the history of Planet Earth, everybody who is anybody got out in time for this event, and the VIPs who remain on Earth today are many clone generations deep:::a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone.
  We may all be "clones" for they have suggested they colonized our planet with genetically engineered individuals. They may have gotten Earth's TRUE residents out prior to civilization developing. If so we all have a chance, no matter how many hundreds of clone generations deep the most favored families are.
  Do I think the disfavored are clones? I think they have been utilizing clones throughout human history. I think throughout history the gods picked and chose individuals from disfavored blood lines to keep (around, ie not let go after a couple of decades/centuries) but, unlike the favored today, don't have that "pre-approval" and therefore have to earn it individually.
  I think they have been disceived into thinking they are clones and it is the role of clones to obey absolutely. The evil they engage in because they think they're clones (they obey like "made guy" clones vs decent clones) causes them to fall further into disfavor, ensuring they aren't among those who are saved in the end::::: they comply with requests, the gods use the little peopel to prey on one another and we have a planet on a collision course with the Apocalypse, which everyone understands as the goal and is the ludicrious request I refer to above::You are the disfavored, and this is where your children have to live. If earth is destroyed then you are going to die and you will have no decendants to carry on the bloodline.

  They have been utilizing clones throughout the history of mankind.
  Men are the disfavored gender (see below), yet centuries ago used to die first, die young, by age 30. Why didn't the women go first?
  THEY DID!!! They say well over 50% were taken when very young and replaced with clones (likely only a small fraction of that "over 50%" were the disfavored). The men that were left went on to mate with clones, clones who went on to achieve great status in society, becoming matchmakers and elders within the village, the others being good mothers and peaceful residents, proving the clone's role isn't to be evil.
  Likely a breakdown would look like the following::::
  Women Men
  Favored - 75% 25%
  Disfavored - 10% 2%
  They share females have a very special experience, sometime when they are young, when the gods imparted wisdom and showed them the path. The females today don't heed this call because of distractions and the disfavor arising from the Holocaust, evil against "god's chosen people" (they share they re-upped this disfavor in the 80s with the Ethiopian famine and continue to with AIDS in Africa, global warming at the expense of the United States, etc. (Wean off of mass materialism, for this excessive consumption of resources is why the "United States is responsible for global warming":::first they used their clones, "made guys", to sell you on overconsumption, initially in the 1980s, told you to buy SUVs, then the gods scapegoatted you, blaming you when they instructed Artificial Intelligence to create the hottest summer in history.)
  In centuries past the females may have heeded this call en masse and it may have been the reason so many were saved from childbirth here on earth. They said the experience they give to girls today is painful, they inflict emotionally when it ocurrs so as to repel them from pursuing the calling, then or in the future.
  I recommend you reflect on this experience, and pray for guidance, for then the recall may be stronger. Being female is an advantage. Because of a female's nature they have the favor of the gods and this experience you had years ago can help you find the path and be devoted. Most men won't have this opportunity. They have to start from scratch.
  If you are afraid I would ask you to think of all those girls from the past who received the god's call and had the courage to sucessfully make their way down the path.

  
  The Old Testiment is a tool they used to impart wisdom to the people (except people have no freewill). For example, they must be some hominid species because they claim they made our bodies in their image. Anyhow we defile or deform the body will hurt our chance of going.
  They say circumcision costs people anywhere from 12%-15%, perhaps out of the parent's time as well. There is a stigma associated with circumcision::We are 2nd class citizens because of it.
  Another way people foul the body today is with tattoes and piercing. I suspect both are about the same percentage as circumcision. They suggest abortion is fatal. Those women who have obtained an abortion must beg the gods to forgive them for their evil.
  There are female equivilents to circumcision::::pierced ears, plastic surgury and since at least the 60s young women give their precious virginity away. For thousands of years young people were matched at age 14 because they were ready for sexual relations. They were matched by elders or matchmakers who were granted priveledge with Artificial Intelligence and matched couples based on favor.
  CASUAL SEX WILL CLAIM YOU OUT!!! It opens the door and allows the gods the freedom to justify instructing Artificial Intelligence to create disfunctions:::they masculinize women (as does the hip hop subculture), makes them cold and deadens them, and they instruct AI to prevent them from achieving a depth of love necessary for many women to ascend.
  Also ever since the 50s they have celebrated the "bad boy", and women have sought out bad boys for sex, dirtying them up in the eyes of the elders and corrupting many men in the process, setting the men on the wrong path for life.
  Besides their roles as nurturers, love-givers and caretakers, women have a special voice that speaks to them, a voice that illustrates a potential depth of love. These are the things that make women the favored gender, and engaging in casual sex will cause that voice to fade until she no longer speaks.
  Muslims teach people the correct way to live in regard to women (among other things::the right way to pray (bowing down, 5x/day), vindictive god)::their women cover up their bodies and refuse the use of cosmetics, and it pays wonderful dividends:::faithful husbands and uncorrupted sons (Mohammed's taking of multiple wives marked the entrance of his clone who was used to segment the Arab world into favored and disfavored factions).
  Men ARE the inferior (disfavored) half and when women wear promiscuous dress the gods will push men into impure (promiscuous) thoughts. The "stereotype" society ridiculed is true::women CAN corrupt men by how they dress. Because men are easily corrupted. This is a technique they used to eliminate many of the institutions the gods blessed us with, matchmaking being one of them.

  
  The United States of America is red white and blue, a theme and a clue:::.
  The monarchical system of the Old World closley replicates the heirarchical system of the Cousel/Management Team/ruling species, which is why most of the purebloods around the world were blessed with it. The USA's democratic system deceives people into thinking they have control, and the perception of "freedom" gives the Counsel/Management Team the ability to justify instructing Artificial Intelligence to create disfunctions:::a perception of empowerment, etc. The god's efforts to spread democracy through the platform that is the United States are attempts to hurt disfavored people around the world (Korea, Vietnam, Iraq). The redeeming element in this environment is employment within the corporate heirarchy, which closely replicates the god's. Unions and government jobs are dumping grounds for the disfavored, for they don't prepare people and instead further this misconception of empowerment.
  Corporate is not representation. Corporate is evil. They all have favor and, like the United States redwhite&blue, are tools of the gods and used to hurt the disfavored left behind, and the clonesofclonesofclones who are puppets at the helm do as instructed and prey on the disfavored. Corporate is part of a structural change in the Age of the Disfavored that became more pronounced as time wore on. Corporate, an environment where a level of materialism is EXPECTED, is part of the problem, for materialism is an evil preached against in the Old Testiment and yet another way to incurr evil on the disfavored left behind. Nobody is going to save you:::: Jesus isn't going to save his followers, stores/manufacturers aren't going to save their loyal customers (NEVER shop exclusively in one place, never put all your eggs in one basket. It really doesn't matter for the gods control everything and it is merely for positioning's sake. It may be a test of intelligence.), employers aren't going to save their employees, etc. These are delay tactics designed to pacifiy people and ensure they don't find the path and instead get limited time.
  Only you can save yourselves through an improved relationship with the gods.
  The United States is a cancer, a dumping ground for the disfavored around the world and why the quality of life is so much lower::gun violence, widespead social ills, health care (medication poisons the body and ensures you don't go. You are sick/injured because you have disfavor.).
  Over time its citizens interbreed ensuring a severed connection to the motherland.
  Over time its citizens interbreed ensuring a severed connection to the motherland.
  People came to the Unites States for many different reasons, and each has its own effect:::political strife, religious unrest, crop failure (Ireland's potato famine, which the gods caused) and some left their beloved motherland because they were pushed into desiring a better life::::Greed, and these disfavored people were punished when the gods instructed AI to push them into becoming corrupted and preditory. They sent this clue about the Italians again when European currencies merged:::::they ruined the value of the Lira, making the other countries foot this bill.
  If you are a recent immigrant I recommend you return. If that's not possible you need to retain your culture and insulate your children and community from this cancerous environment. They send this clue with Chinatowns across the country, how many Chinese have been here for a century or more yet still retain the old ways, a sign of favor.

  If you ever have doubt I would refer you to the Old World way of life:::the elders used to sit and impart wisdom to the young. Now we watch DVDs and use the internet. People would be matched and married by age 14. They village would use a matchmaker or elders to pair young people. Now girls give their precious virginity away to some person in school and parents divorce while their children grow up without an important role model. The people used to honor the gods and were rewarded with a high-quality of life for them, their children and their society. Now we have a deteriorating society on a collision course with the Apocalypse.

  
  There are many examples throughout 20th century life of how they instilled distractions into society so people wouldn't find the path and ascend, a way to justify excluding those whose family history makes them undesirable:::materialism, radio, sports, movies, popular music, television, video games, the internet, shopping. Today high pay creates contentment/ability to distract self so people don't seek more, hesitant to receive contradicting possibilities, depend on what they are told, subject to deception in a captive environment.
  They gods (Counsel/Management Team/ruling species) have deteriorated life on earth precipitously in the last 40 years, from abortion to pornography, widespread drug use and widespread casual (gay) sex, single-parent households, latchkey kids and the masculinization of women (and hence (full) women's prisons, participatory sports, etc. Women are favored, are the element of decency, and as they become more like the men the society becomes more disfavored, goes downhill, as we are witnessing.). The earth's elders, hundreds and thousands of years old, are disgusted and have become indifferent.
  The Biblical account of Noah's flood was regional to the disfavored Mediterreanan, peoples whom the gods scapegoatted when they pushed them into the evil that justified the flood, behavior that we are witnessing today. Because they have leveled the playing field for all people (purebloods and mongrels) in the decades prior to the 21st century is a clue they will end globally this time (westernization, materialism, immigration/interracial, homosexual, access to disturbing media, desensitization, etc).
  The clues all suggest a very telling conclusion::this is Earth's end stage, and there are signs tectonic plate subduction would be the method of disposal:::Earth’s axis will shift breaking continental plates free and initiating mass subduction. Much as Italy's boot and the United States shaped like a workhorse (with a fat ass) are clues, so is the planet Uranus a clue, its axis rotated on its side. Edgar Cayce was picking winners for the gangsters of the 20th century when he prophecized subduction being the method of disposal. (Taking the god's money, which essencially they were doing, proves "something for nothing" hurts people as it did those disfavored Italians::much like temptation, Edgar Cayce's prognostications effectivly served as "the rope". There are levels above Level 2 where money is not an issue, and behavior like this will exclude you, as will behavior such as using (unreasonable) coupons, buying on sale exclusively, supermarkets as ATMs, gambling for gain instead of fun, overeating at buffets, etc.)
  Global warming should alarm people for it is a clue telling of the bleak future of Planet Earth.

  The Mayans were specific 2012 would be the end. How long after our emergency call in 2001 will the gods allow us???
  How long after our emergency call in 2001 will the gods allow us???
  How long after our emergency call in 2001 will the gods allow us???
  There is another geographic clue in the perfect fit between grossly disfavored Africa and South America, two peas in a pod. I realize the Mayans were further north, but Latin America may be taken as one. (Cultures who embrace hard liquor as their drink of choice are grossly disfavored, tequilla being uniquely Mexican. (Anything "hard" is wicked:::Hard alcohol, hard drugs, all porn.) Incidentally, another sign of gross disfavor are societies that consume spicy foods (Latin America, Thai, etc.), those who eat too much meat, engage in human sacrifice, ones who tattoo or pierce their bodies or those who celebrate evil (Celtic). Contrary to what disfavored people believe, these peoples are not "earning" when they inflict their evil on others. Rather it is the source of their disfavor because the gods are hurting others with their problems and they are being scapegoatted. Those who believe they are earning have become corrupted!!!)
  Do I think it will end in 2012? No, and it is because Latin America is grossly disfavored like Africa:::: Latinos are too disfavored to be allowed to be right.
  The gods wrote prophecy in Revelation, had subsequent prophets foresee Earth's demise for good reason:::they are going to end on Planet Earth.
  What else are they lying to you about? What else are they lying to you about?
  What else are they lying to you about? What else are they lying to you about?
  What else are they lying to you about? What else are they lying to you about?
  What else are they lying to you about? What else are they lying to you about?
  Whereas Christopher Columbus marked the beginning of the end, the Holocaust marked the beginning of the final act, and it is a tragedy.
  When people are saved at the end it will be clones and clonesofclonesofclones, not the disfavored people who have problems who were deceived/pushed into carrying on like they were "made guys".
  My message illustrating the path may be the disfavored's last clue. All clues before have been more covert but this one is quite obvious indeed, which says time is running out.

  
  People must defy when asked to engage in evil. The Holocaust taught people the importance of defiance::our great grandparents should have defied when asked to ignore the Holocaust and instead reacted with outrage. I suspect some did::many were silenced while others they hustled off earth so as to not set an example. Now the gods have used that incident to justify punishing that generation's decendants bu ruining society.
  People will never get a easier clue suggesting the importance of defiance than the order not to pray. Their precious babies are dependant on the parents and they need to defy when asked to betray their children:::
  -DON'T get your sons circumcized (Jews scapegoatted as they were in WWII (like justification, scapegoatting a recurring theme).)
  -DON'T have their children baptized in the Catholic Church or indoctrinated into Christianity (Jesus is NOT a god. Jesus teaches us the right way to think. The gods are not forgiving or begnign. They are vindictive and will punish you if you do something wrong.).
  -DON'T ignore their long hair or other behavioral disturbances.
  -DO teach your children love, respect for others, humility and to honor the gods.
  -DO teach your children about the power within the god's possession, if not directly then indirectly.
  And when you refuse a request defy the right way, withdrawn and frightened, for you don't want to incite them by reacting inappropriately.

  
  You need to pray, honor and respect them multiple times every day to improve your relationship with the gods. If they tell you not to pray it is a bad sign. It means they've made their decision, they don't want you to go and they don't want to be bothered. You may have achieved a threshold of evil. This is the Age of the Disfavored and you need to pray:::::Attone for the things you've done wrong. Try to appease the gods by doing good deeds and improve the world around you. Focus on becoming "Christ-like". Apply yourself to your children for I think this is the single best way for adults to try to redeem themselves in the eyes of the gods. Hopefully you can reearn enough favor to be allowed to pray. Otherwise you need to defy if you are to repair your relationship with the gods and give yourself a chance at significant time, not just a handful of decades.
  Otherwise you need to defy if you are to repair your relationship with the gods and give yourself a chance at significant time, not just a handful of decades.
  If you are a clone, if you have seen, you more than anybody should honor the gods for you know their great power:::you have seen it firsthand. They share that they prefer most clones not to pray (like typical disfavoreds left behind) for it will limit the time they will receive. The gods deceive them to achieve this, compelling these individuals into a pattern that excludes honoring their creator.
  When your peasant forefather was granted the rare opportunity to go before his royal family he went on his knees, bowing his head, humbled and frightened. You need to do this when you address the gods::bow down and submit to good. Never cast your eyes skyward. When you bow down you need to look within. Never look to the gods for the key to your salvation lies within. Remain silent and never address the gods directly. Practice patience and wait for them to address you:::never speak unless you are spoken to.
  Nobody is going to do it for you. People need to save THEMSELVES by improving THEIR relationship with the gods.
  Lack of humility hurts people, and the environment that is the United States is used to justify amplifying this problem. Understand your insignificance and make sure it is reflected in the way you think when addressing the gods. You are but a grain of sand on a vast beach, a drop in the ocean that is the universe. They are great and powerful and angry. Know your place, understand your inferiority and be afraid. They granted you life and they can take it just as easily. (Immaculte conception IS true AND common. Many people have children they don't know of:::gays, childless adults, etc. They can beem it right out of your body and use a host.)
  You are not cool. Too many young men strive for cool and it hurts them, as does all things tagetted to males (professional sports, video games, beer, etc). Be afraid and make sure you think the right way when you address them daily. Too many people are deceived by this casual enviornment they create in people's minds with Artificial Intelligence today. This does people a great disservice and it hurts them in the eyes of the gods. Try to eliminate it and avoid allowing it back once you have. Be very reverent and respectful.
  Don't get frustrated or discouraged::these are techniques they will attempt to try to get you off the path. You all have much to be thankful for and you need to give thanks to the gods who granted you the good things in life::friends, family, love. Your family may be grossly disfavored and progress may require patience. Make praying an intregal part of your life which you perform without fail, one that comes as naturally as eating or conception. Accept your new life and be devoted because if you have doubt or reservation they will exploit this weakness and progress will take longer to achieve, the "testing" phase will be extended.
  The gods will employ many tactics to keep people off the path, such as distractions. They will employ many more to get them off, such as thinking through the disfavored and making them frustrated, perhaps engaging in retailiation. They may try to force you back into old patterns/routines, an addiction like smoking or when you felt weekly church attendance was sufficient. Asking you not to be gay immediately is a tactic to prevent you from finding/following the path. Be resigned, be devoted and this testing period will be as brief as your disfavor will allow.
  There are many interesting experiences up on the planetary systems, from Planet Miracle, where miracles happen every day, peaked (heightened) senses, to never having to use the restroom again (beem it out of you), other body experiences, such as experiencing life as the opposite sex (revolutionizes marriage counseling), an Olympic gold medal athelete or even a different species (animal, alien, etc). They can maintain the disfavored's current age, a motivation to fix your problems and get out as soon as possible so you can stay young for as long as your relationship with the gods allows you to live.
  Stay young for as long as your relationship with the gods allows you to live.
  Stay young for as long as your relationship with the gods allows you to live.
  Pray that you can differentiate between your own thoughts and when Artificial Intelligence creates problems by thinking through you. If you bow down mentally and physically, know your place, your inferiority and allow your insignificance to be reflected in prayer and in your life through humility they may allow progress and the disfunctions they create with the computer will be lessened or removed. The first step is to be aware it is ocurring.
  Create a goal::to be a good, god-fearing child of the gods, pure of heart and mind, body and soul.
  Everybody has the key to their own salvation, but nobody can do it for you. Every journey begins with a single step:::bow down and submit to good. There are many different levels and peasants will not get past Level 2 (Planet Temptation, Earth=Level 1) if they are evil (they share some go up, are offered free cocaine and sex (a sign they don't want you to stay) and stay less then one year. They share many others would have had longer lives had they stayed on Earth.). Also the time you receive will be drastically reduced:::your life's course will have costed you a chance at immortality.
  It is important that you begin praying now. Evil is a slippery slope::once you start punishment begins to escallate. If you defy early there may be no retribution but as you continue to committ evil there will be until the point where you can no longer stand it. Pray for guidance and never obey when they tell you to be evil, for saving yourself will become more and more difficult with each act of evil you committ until ultimatly the day arrives when they make their decision about you final.
  It's important that people fix their problems and ascend with the body given to them, for they say if your brain is beemed out at death and put into a clone host you are on the clock.

  
  Throughout history the ruling species bestowed favor upon people or cursed their bloodline into a pattern of disfavor for many generations to come. Now in the 21st century people must take it upon themselves to try to correct their family's problems, undoing centuries worth of abuse and neglect. The goal is to fix your problems and get out while you are still young::::
  1. Before children become corrupted (Halloween & Christmas (among others), get out via parents)
  2. Before you lose your virginity/become corrupted by casual sex, and ultimately
  3. Before you have children.
  This is why they have created so many distractions for young people:::sports, video games, popular music, the internet, shopping, parties, too much homework, materialism, anything that consumes their time::to ensure that doesn't ocurr. Not heeding the clues and warnings, getting wrapped up in your life and ultimately having children is a bad thing. Just as your parents and your grandparents, you too have failed. Having children is a sign you lost your chance.
  Parents need to sacrifice for their children. Your children are more important than you. They are the ones who have the opportunity now, and parents must sacrifice to ensure they give their children the very best chance they can. Asking people to neglect their children emotionally is a sign they don't want you to go, and complying may finish the parents off for good. (Having gay children (children with gay experiences) is a clue parents complied with whatever was asked of them.) I recommend you apply yourselves to your children. I think this is the single best way for adults to try to redeem themselves in the eyes of the gods. Improve your relationship with the gods and they may not ask in the first place or they may permit you the courage to say "No." to their requests.

  People need to repent for the things they've done wrong in life. Often they know what they have done was wrong (telling you telepthically to do these things was temptation and complying has hurt you/will limit your time). People need to attone for these things they've done wrong.
  There are other things that people have grown to believe are acceptable when in fact they are not:::::This society is desinged to corrupt individuals, be it through materialism, the celebration/acceptance of evil (Halloween), desensitization of topics/images, voyerism/celebration of people's misery, the acceptance of casual/alternate sex, the dietization of a prophet (Jesus). People need to realize that the gods made this behavior socially acceptable to corrupt people society-wide and limit the time everybody receives. You need to recognize this, see that it is wrong and stop engaging in this behavior. (Set a goal of empathy and compassion for all, for we are all disfavored::::Other people's disfavor is manifested in their particular way, just as your disfavfor is manifested in your particular way.)
  Somewhere in your family history one of your forefathers created an offense that cast your family into this pattern of disfavor, which perhaps is manifested in the evil you committ. Do your ancestral research::You should be knowledgeable about your family history. Clues in the history may arise that could assist you. Keep an open mind to every possibility for they suggest matriarchal lineage is the norm.
  Ask the gods for help, request guidance. I suspect they will offer you additional clues, and when you decipher these clues ask for forgiveness from those whom consider you an enemy.
  Don't forget to ask for forgiveness from the throne, the Counsel and the Management Team, for the source of all disfavor began with them:::they pushed or requested/complied your forefather into his offense and made his decendants evil. Perhaps they didn't like him or maybe your family was among those (arbitrarily) selected to pay for the entire village. We see this type of behavior today as they single out a family member to pay for the whole family and how they singled out Africa to pay for the human race. (Never have a negative thought about the gods. They are managing the universe. This is how they decided to execute strategy for the end of the world, a plan that was written likley millions of years ago or more. Try to purify your mind of these thoughts and recognize the urgency of improving your relationship with them.)
  Heal the disfavor with your enemies and with the Counsel/Management Team/ruling species, for the source of all disfavor began with them, the ability to forgive and respect in light of the disturbing truth revealed being the final test of the disfavored before they ascend.

  They say this final test costed up to 50% of the candidates in the past. I want people to be forewarned, knowledgeable about the god's strategy, their plan for the "end of time" on Earth that we witness/experience and I want you to be in a state of forgiveness PRIOR to the date of your "test", for this is yet another tactic to limit the time of the disfavored.
  The gods place great importance in positioning, not just to conceal their involvement, ensuring people are deceived, receptive to temptation and aren't motivated to pray, but also to preserve the "final test"'s productivity, for I suspect it is very effective.

  
  This message illustrating the path may be the disfavored's last clue. All clues before have been more covert but this one is quite obvious indeed, which says time is running out.

  
  

  The gods use the Celtics as scapegoats, initiating the annual practice of wickedness on Halloween by creating this event a thousand years ago. They use it to justify making the widespread celebration of evil acceptable behavior among the disfavored of the 20th century.
  The celebration of Halloween has intensified as the Age of the Disfavored has become more pronounced and it is not by accident:::Holloween has changed in the last 50 years, its practice more widespread as time wore on, and Hollywood was used to justify making evil socially acceptable.
  Halloween is a terrible corruptor of children, as is Santa Claus (the similarity between the names "Santa" and "Satan" is no coincidence). The Celtic event is used to justify corrupting the children through the celebration of Halloween and is one reason explaining their disfavor; consistant with their pathology the gods created the corruption, impliment its practice and scpaegoat the disfavored from whence it came.
  I wonder if recent influence of the paganistic historical roots of the event is a way to legitimize the event among the disfavored, perhaps make it more inclusive (adults), create a sub-culture around paganism?
  You're the disfavored. Purism is the best course of action (the Ahmish in the United States is the clue suggesting this). You don't have breathing room to engage in hedonistic activities like Halloween.
  

  They refuse to address black disfavor on a macro level. The Counsel/Management Team/ruling species (the gods) abuse black people so hard, from east African drought/famine to AIDS in Africa, the crack epiemic to gang membership, black-on-black violence to mass incarceration of their young. They refuse to address the issue of the prison industrial complex and its wholesale warehousing of young black men.

  
  Christianity is a dumping ground for the disfavored.
  They share the gods didn't like Jesus for he helped the disfavored and taught them the right way to think:::to be loving, kind, forgiving, Be Christ-like!!!
  The gods turned a negative into a positive and twisted the concept, dietized the prophet and subsequently made Christianity's disfavored followers irrationally defensive, for they are so close to the path and otherwise could easily find their way.
  Every prophet can teach us something and we should be attentive to each.

  
  Therapists prey on others. They earn their livlihood capitalizing on another's disfavor, knowing disfavor is why they are experiencing problems.
  At some point in their lives they learn this truth. That point and time is the most crucial in their lives for if they make the wrong decision and stay in their industry/follow through with their education they hurt themselves very badly in the eyes of the gods.
  Directing them into the industry (create passion)/telling them to take this path/compliance is a way to incurr evil on otherwise very good people (if you understand the demographic), people who normally would get a great amount of time, and it ensurs their stay is minimized if and when they do go.

  Published: November 25, 2006 4:06 PM

• kilo

  "yeah lets go see that shrugged movie, Jolie is sooo hot"

  Theyll piss off everyone if they dont put a shower scene somewhere

  so depressing.

  Published: November 27, 2006 7:00 AM

• kilo

  "yeah lets go see that shrugged movie, Jolie is sooo hot"

  Theyll piss off everyone if they dont put a shower scene somewhere

  so depressing.

  Published: November 27, 2006 7:01 AM

• Angelina Jolie Fan

  Sounds like a good story

  Published: December 13, 2006 11:46 AM

• JSSEnterprise

  On a board somewhere a few years ago someone mentioned Paul Bettany for Rearden, and I've thought since then that he's absolutely perfect.

  Published: December 25, 2006 8:23 PM

• Tom Hannon

  Do we return to a world ruled by mysticism (faith and force)only instead of crossbows and cannons we now have ICBM's, or do we embrace without reservation the philosophy of objectivism and improve our prospects for long term survival on earth and eventualy beyond. I vote yes to the latter and if a genuine attempt is made on this movie of Atlas Shrugged that can only help.

  Published: December 28, 2006 10:41 AM

• clickpoint

  good site
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  Published: December 29, 2006 9:30 PM

• mliberty

  ben kingsley as akston.

  Published: January 2, 2007 9:57 PM

• Gail Kondratoff

  I doubt Angelina Jolie is a committed Objectivist, individualist, rationalist, capitalist. It is obvious she does not understand the horrendous state, according to Ayn Rand, of America's foreign policy and the UN. From Ayn Rand's CAPITALISM, THE UNKNOWN IDEAL; Chapter 16; The Pull Peddlers. .
  "America's foreign policy is so grotesquely irrational that most people believe there must be some sensible purpose behind it. The extent of the irrationality acts as its own protection, like the technique of 'The Big Lie', it makes people assume that so blantant an evil could not possibly be as evil as it appears to them and therefore that somebody must understand its meaning, even thought they themselves do not." Ayn Rand.

  I suggest you read this book Angelina, after which you may decide not to play Dagny Taggart - and if you do, if one is to judge one by their actions, I suggest it would not be a principled path for you to take.

  Breeze

  Published: April 20, 2007 9:01 AM

• thomas hannon

  objectivism will be (if it's not too late already) the salvation of us all, to those that choose mysticism, 'may the GOD they invented forgive them!

  Published: April 29, 2007 6:51 AM

• rtr

  Who knew a *whore* like Miss Joyle held out so much promise? But like I always maintained, if you want to prove your point to the likes of Ayn Rand, best to do it in the nude.

  Here here for whoricism! *If* it's not too late, it's not when but *who*, *who*, said the wise old bird, after the fact of your subjective devaluation.

  Objectively, actors don't portray characters ...

  
  lmao Angelina Jolie as Dagny, Dafney or Whatevery, Taggart,,, prepare to be disappointed.

  But yes, the sooner "objectivism" recognizes it's first 'wrong', the better for us all ...

  Published: April 29, 2007 7:07 AM

• John Galt

  I was a little concerned with Jolie being cast as a major part in Atlas Shrugged.... I would more have expected her as a Lillian Rearden initially with all of her world poverty initiatives. But I think that she perhaps can still be a Rand fan in the modern concept understanding the importance of the individual who believes in her work and does her work well (screenacting) while feeling pride in supporting others. Perhaps she should be playing the role of Hank Rearden?

  Published: May 3, 2007 1:23 AM

• KSV

  I agree with everyone who said that political convictions should have nothing to do with the casting of roles.

  I'm actually excited about Angelina Jolie doing the part, though she's not exactly what I envisioned when I read the book. And I doubt any actress could ever fill those shoes (goes for other characters as well, in any book).

  I started out really believing in the philosophy, which was around 7 years ago when I read 'The Fountainhead.' I have pretty much Rand's whole catalog of books. However, I must prefer the books as fiction now. Ayn Rand definitely had a sparkling ideas as did someone like Emerson, but I just can't agree with all of her principles. So I'd rather be my own guide, which I guess is the truest meaning of 'individualism'. I see others interpreting it as being premier asses.

  Oh, and as to Hilary Swank as Dagny? Yuck.
  

  Published: May 22, 2007 7:24 PM

• Kat

  If the movie is made, it will be a disappointment because everyone who reads Atlas has such strong feelings about it. And it will be misinterpreted, just like V for Vendetta. But I think it should be made because it'll probably be entertaining. Who cares if it doesn't agree exactly with the book...no thinking person does either.
  

  Published: May 23, 2007 12:06 AM

• Michael Hargett

  Atlas Shrugged - Movie or Graphic Novel

  I find it difficult to imagine the book making landfall as a film outside of either unmitigated disaster or misrepresented fluff sci-fi.

  What I would enjoy would be a graphic novel adaptation of the book. There are artists and teams out there more than capable of accomplishing this task. It would bring a beautiful visual quality to a book with a very beautiful, visual style.

  I want to see Galt's Gulch fully realized. If an artist were to only even focus on that portion of the book, I would buy a copy instantly.

  Here, however, is an even greater reason: Atlas shrugged is full of archetypes and superheroes. John Galt is not simply a man - he is man flawless.

  It used to happen, when I would read Atlas Shrugged, that I would find myself horribly depressed after finishing the novel. By reading the account of Galt's life, my own seemed trivial and even a failure.

  Over time, and with maturity, I found that nobody embodies the ideal of John Galt. He is an ideal for which individuals should strive, but he is unattainable.

  This is the central flaw to the novel, were it to be taken as the gospel of a new faith. The same goes for Rand's philosophy, which hinges on the idealism of perfected man functioning in complete logic, and with emotions precisely attuned to the will at all times, without exception.

  Fortunately, Rand never had children. Her personal attitudes lend to those of James Mill. Like Mill, she would have attempted to mold her child into the idealized and perfected human. We all know how that worked out for poor, crazy John Stuart Mill.

  --M

  Published: June 16, 2007 8:06 AM

• Andy

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  Published: June 20, 2007 5:27 PM

• thomas hannon

  having just watched 'SKY CAPTAIN and the World of Tomorrow', I believe this method of presentation is the perfect way to achieve global illumination for the masses, it's a diamond in the rough.

  Published: August 4, 2007 5:07 AM

• Chris

  Most of you aren't being fair to Brad or Angelina. Angelina won an Oscar remember, and she's taken a wide variety of roles in her career. Not all roles of course are created equal. Are you going to judge Tom Hanks based on "Big" alone and forget about Saving Private Ryan and Forest Gump? Of course not.

  Brad is unfairly stereotyped as a pretty boy or a mimbo when in fact he is an excellent actor, and often excells most in roles where he is purposefully ugly. Fight club, 12 monkeys, interview with a vampire, etc. He was also pretty good in Babel.

  Now Rearden is described as having chiseled features isn't he? I think Brad would be a good fit.

  I like Angelina, but I don't see her as Dagny, I've always pictured Dagny as more like Cate Blanchet, especially if you saw her in "The Aviator"

  Definitely not Sandra Bullock whoever mentioned her, she's horrible.

  Also, what about Edward Norton?

  Published: October 8, 2007 9:21 PM

• Anthony

  I can think of many male actors more chiseled than Brad..

  Published: October 8, 2007 9:35 PM

• joemarlin

  Dagny - Angelina!! she is perfect for the role! tough & fragile at the same time(as described in the book), beautiful face, powerful disposition, etc.
  
  Hank - Brad, he was the one I pictured as Hank throughout the entire book
  
  Francisco - this is a tough one...the actor must be able to portray Francisco's multi-lingual finesse (and I really hope they pay particular attention to that)...of course, he must have the sensual dark looks and blue eyes...ahhh!! :) who could it be??
  
  John - Christian Bale, definitely him!! (been a fan of his work since I was 12)...
  
  Lillian - Cate Blanchett could do a phenomenal job as Lillian..can't picture anyone else..
  
  Ragnar - yes! Viggo is another perfect candidate!!
  
  Kay - Charlize Theron, for her dazzling good looks and statuesque body
  

  I wish to ad more later...

  Published: November 8, 2007 12:16 AM

• Carl

  If you are looking only for conservatives to play the conservative and liberals to play the liberals:

  Dagny Taggart: Angie Harmon
  Francisco: Lorenzo Lomas
  Reardon: Rick Shroder
  James Taggart: Charlie Sheen
  Reardon's wife: Angelina Jolie
  
  

  Published: November 27, 2007 11:42 PM

• Tom

  I know Ayn Rand said she was an athiest but could the reference she made to "the benevolent universe premise" be her acknowledgement of a supreme being?

  Published: February 17, 2008 4:10 AM

• bwlass

  Jeremy Northam petition

  If you would like to see the brilliant Jeremy Northam as John Galt in the movie “Atlas Shrugged”, please sign this petition which is being sent to Baldwin Entertainment, executive producers of the film.

  http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/johngalt

  Published: March 5, 2008 12:51 PM

• tom

  I was speaking to a young mother recently about how people abuse the welfair state, she suddenly exclaimed with a tone righteous indignation that her son will have to pay for my retirement, I assume she wanted gratitude for having given birth to him, I tried to explain about demographics and that under our present system of mixed economics that it would be impossiple to set asside a store of wealth for old age due to the states need to pick pocket us through the printing press, of course none of this interested her I think she prefered to toe the line and blame some minority group when the hand outs finally stop, what troubled me was that she was intelligent and middle class, my thinking on the subject has been forever altered by reading Atlas Shrugged and Capitalism-the unknown ideal, there's an urgent need for this movie because soon some very difficult decisions will have to be made to ballance the books and if a sincere attempt is made to bring Rand's masterpiece to the big screen it may demonstrate just why the pain of this correction has fallen on us and if polititians ever make promises about cradle to grave welfair in exchange for votes we can use the courts to bankrupt them so they understand the end result.

  Published: March 21, 2008 5:10 PM

• Tom

  my only difficulty with Ayn Rand's philosophy of Objectivism was it's insistance that one must be an athiest, but then I realised my belief in the devine was never so specific as to project a human type identity upon it as do most organised religions. when Ayn Rand spoke of subject's such as nature and the benevolent Universe I realised that it was possible to reconcile the two because I think they are one and the same and since I and many people I know don't require any dogmatic system of belief ,it should be possible to be an effective and sincere objectivist and possess a quiet acceptance that nature and the devine are the same and hence to know nature is to know the devine, having said that if you were to attempt to leap off a sky scraper in defiance of nature, the devine will rapidly demonstrate your error by atomising you against the side walk as he/she/& more should, oops perhaps it is the thin end of the wedge? let me think about it some more! no I stand by it. I have no evidence to support it but I think the Universe itself achieved self awareness probably about the same time as the big bang, I mean would'nt you want space to grow having suddenly realised you exhisted! I know Leonard Piekoff will probably think I'm an idiot for this declaration but I would like the masses to embrace this philosophy and I fear that won't happen unless this small but significant allowance is made, and besides I don't think the devine being is looking for inferior subordinates to suck up for all eternity rather I believe that the said being wants equals only the said being is a little further along than us thats all, it's like Ayn Rand said about Piekoff's book 'the ominous parrallels' is'nt it great to see intelligent work like this that is not of my making, meaning of course that she craved equals or even superiors which I suspect the devine being wants too, so why don't they loosen the criteria a little and increase their numbers, God knows humanity need's Objectivsm, if they try to keep it exclusive some one will just start another sect then it will lose it's legitamacy, it's only a tiny comprimise... Nature=The Devine... thats all. it would'nt supprise me to find out that Ayn Rand was a very senior incarnation of the devine, and knowing full well that if she were to admit any belief
  in the devine that her philosophy would have been jumped on by the middle men/women reps on earth...thats probably why she used coded expression like the 'benevolent universe premise' I mean if that don't sound devine then I don't know what does. can't wait to see the movie.

  Published: March 27, 2008 11:43 PM

• tom

  In contemplation of the previous comment the theory that Nature ie the very substance of the universe had itself achieved consciousness and therefore prior to this event was unconscious strikes me as very similar to the human condition in that we are born (tabula rasa) and then spend time developing towards self awareness (not withstanding progressive education hindering the process) Ayn Rand when asked how do you explain all this order in the Universe said there was no artificial order its just nature and it was always there which I agree on and with this interpretation (that Nature is the Devine) proposes that the devine had to go through the same process from tabula rasa to self awareness, I mean doctors still don't understand how the human brain maintains the process of conciousness so perhaps the substance of the Universe is adequate to the task of doing the same only instead of nuerons it uses matter anti-matter or sub atomis particles and according to Ayn Rands definition of consciousness, it must have something to be concious of ie, us, don't the main religions of the world already say this? but in language more poetic. in conclusion I propose that the Devine (in substance) the Universe was always there but as with an infant went through the same steps as we did to achieve conciousness and subsequent steps into maturity and eventually decided on repoduction ie humanity but where as it had to do it with hardwear (matter/anti-matter of space) we do it with wetware (brains), so as nature has identity to expect miracles is to deny it's identity and to expect it to act in contridiction to it's nature is futile, therefore cause and effect or causality must prevail. so if you want to know the nature of the Devine one must study the laws of Nature and the Universe since that is it's identity and as I have observed there is no more effective way to do this then to study Objectivism the philosophy of Ayn Rand, and in order to save time on pointless discussions with 'God's reps on earth' it's probably easier to just say your an athiest since if you say otherwise you might inadvertently indicate your willingness to buy into the whole package deal which I believe is totally un helpful in this day and age (I'm sure the Devine won't be offended as he/she/and beyond is bigger than that!) and with this method you can get to know the Devine in an entirely rational way which is a breath of fresh air in my opinion. in answer to the question 'who is John Galt' he is the Universe incarnate as is Dagney Taggart (the sacred feminine componant). can't wait to see Atlas (hope it lives up to the book.

  Published: April 3, 2008 6:11 AM

• tom

  therefore I believe the philosophy of Objectivism is the great unification philosophy that humanity has been waiting for only we've just now arrived at the point of readiness and neccessity in sufficient numbers to recognise it and embrace it of our own free will, this is fantastic news since as previously stated the Devine = Nature = the Benevolent Universe Premise, so to those whom God is the main motivation you can now have your cake and eat it too in the sense that you can finally get to know the Devine intimately though Ayn Rand's philosophy but of course you'll have to drop previously held dogma's, and for those whom are scientist and empiricists you can observe the same philosophy only it's for the aquisition of rational knowledge instead of seeking the Devine as your goal, this then is truly the Universal method for all, for who can have exclusivity on reality. I think as a die hard believer it was always intended for us to come to know the Devine in this rational way so we should drop the business of expecting miracles every five minutes, we are more than capable of solving our own problems we simply need to use the correct thinking in our approach thats where Objectivism comes in, lets lobby our Governments and get it into the schools and watch what happens I'm sure the results will be nothing short of miraculous (pun intended) perhaps our young people will stop killing each other because armed with a rational code of morality they will understand that it's wrong to kill and to those who breach that code we can accept it as a sign of their refusal to live in a rational Universe and hence their decision to leave is made (for which we can use any number of humane methods). This code has just one commandment, that we should live as rational beings and now for the first time we have an Objective rational code of morality there is no longer any excuse to oppose, some of course will prefer continue to switch the cost of their irrationality onto the shoulders of others, but this must end if we are to survive as a species, and that is currently the severity of our situation, I'm sure that this philosophy won't need much selling as anyone remotely grounded in reality will see it's efficacy and for those who wish poeple to continue to make allowances to their personally held abitrary mystical edicts, I'm sorry but it's incompatible with the future.

  Published: April 3, 2008 10:58 AM

• tom

  as I understand it the so called founding fathers of the United States of America were not actually religious contrary to popular belief, they were infact deists or they believed in deism which is the idea that there is a God but nothing has been revealed by him/her/beyond and they created the constitutional republic of the USA, as any rational person will admit this was an incredible achievement for it's time, so if the founding Mother of Objectivisim or (since she has gone to be with the devine, probably feeling a little sheepish too I bet) her heirs would concede to include deists within their ranks does'nt it follow that something great could come out of it? perhaps a constitutional republic of the planet and beyond? and if the purists want to hang onto their strict code of athiesm then can't we co exhist together under the umberella of Objectivism, it'll be fine, the likes of piekoff can even look down on us die hard believers if they want, but we'll all benifit from it, and in my judgement there is absolutely no conflict because we're not ascribing any identity to the Devine except that manifested by Nature itself which should insure harmony, I wonder if the high priest of Objectivism can see it makes rational sense and it will enable this philosophy to grow exponentially, they worship skyscrapers and we worship the benevolent Universe, it's just a tiny difference of opinion, and maybe after a thousand years of living in a radient rational utopia our science will be able to conclusively prove the exhistance of God if indeed it will even matter since by then people may all resemble Gods anyway.

  Published: April 3, 2008 3:34 PM

• tom

  no one should have a monopoly on rational reality therefore as a Deist (someone who accepts the exhisance of the Devine but ascribes no identity to him/her/way beyond other than what is revealed by nature/the Universe and our continued rational study of it although some fuzzy logic may be required to uncover the mysteries of quantum physics as scientists have declaired, therefore it is imperitive that we as Deists claim Objectisim as our own tool for life in a rational Universe, we can't afford to leave it exclusively in the hands of those who possess such inflated ego's as to be unable to accept the possibility of the exhistance of a sublimely massive but benevolent ego ie Nature itself, therefore I am announcing a new catagory of Objectivist (and may the God I invented forgive me), I think in light of previous comments I shall call it the 'Deist/Ojectivist sect, (but it does'nt have to become a renegade sect provided the established body legitamises it with the tiny concession of conceding the posibility that the benolent Universe as Ayn Rand phrased it may itself be concious, a good reference would be 'the force' from 'star wars, which is said to animate and bind all things in exhistance and with the technology in that movie they could indeed make a measure of the Devine by doing a mediclorin count as was done to Anikin Skywalker which indicated the saturation levels of the Devine within the child, this could become the untimate secular religion or if they prefer we'll stick with philosophy, of course once again if the purists need to feel they themselves are the ultimate ego's in exhistance we can still co exhist under this arrangement it's just skyscrapers verses the Universe thats all, so how about it Mr Piekoff? are you willing to let us poor little suckers for the exhistance of the Devine into your what is after all a tiny movement (but one with infinate potential), the benifits could be out of this world.

  Published: April 4, 2008 1:18 PM

• tom

  the Benevolent Universe is so by choice, causality is true love, the kind that wills us to grow as chrildren of the Devine, to deny it's identity (reality) is to defy causality and in severity of breach so shall the correction be severe, the metaphysics of the Universe is an act of will by the benevolent Universe ego.
  Deist Objectivism

  Published: April 5, 2008 1:16 PM

• tom

  the more I think about this new intergrating philosophy of Deist Ojectivism the more I realise that it seems to have a great deal in common with the established religions only it arrives at these conclusions in an entirely rational way, ie, the claim by christianity that God always exhisted, could quickly be refuted by any thinking child, that is why organised religions in their current form can't take humanity into the future because of the conflict with the childs emerging rational facaulty which through the insinct of the chuches self preservation mechanism, it must sabotarge the childs developing rational facaulty at this stage thereby ensuring the arrested development of the child and hence the adult, to do this in a world of increasing competition to be ever more effective as we must now become for the global economy is an act of suicide but instead of the effects being realised in the next generation we shall see them in a matter of years due to the increased speed of cause and effect in our modern economies, on the premise that the Universe itself is concious, it could be accurate to say that since the substance of the Universe has always exhisted in one form or another (based on the metaphysical certainty that matter and energy cannot be destroyed they merely change places) then we can say that the Devine has indeed always exhisted only it spent some of that time (God knows how long) asleep or unconcious, but like us as infants it finally got the notion of it's own individuality, the great religions of the world have always said this but now since there are vast numbers of literate free thinking people we can grasp these ideas for ourselves thanks to western civilisation which has permitted sufficient opportunities for free time to ponder the meaning of life which in other parts of the world are stifled under the burden of strict religion and social conformity. this philosophy of Deist Objectivism is completely compatible with everyone the only exception being those intent on suicide and the poor idiots who never discovered their free will to choose otherwise. I can honestly say that reading Atlas Shrugged got me started on these Ideas and there is nothing exceptional about me, so does'nt it follow that if this movie is made and made well could'nt it touch many more in the same way? so come on holywood... don't make an abortion out of it. tom, Deist Objectivist.

  Published: April 5, 2008 2:48 PM

• tom, Deist Objectivist.

  There's no need to be affraid, the benovolent Universe is intimately familiar with every orbiting electron of every atom within your bodies, so do you imagine for a nano second that such an entity desires anything other than your continual growth as an individual, there is nothing you experience that it does not and provided you act as a rational human being you have nothing to be ashamed of, without the freedom to choose it would be impossible for the benevolent Universe to assess us in preparation for the selection of whom are to be entrusted with the rational Universe because we must be able to conduct ourselves in self compliance with rationality because the great seperation is upon us, to those who insist on keeping one foot on earth the other in heaven, your time is over, now you must choose your preference because your determination on having both in this realm is doing great harm in the only place it can ie here, your code applies to a place where there is no fleash and blood to cause injury to, you retain some memory of that place and you want to impose it's ideals here and the result is anti life as the two realms are incompatible, it would be impossible to be imoral towards an indistructable robot, your efforts to hurt or injur would be futile, as also it is impossible to be imoral in your prefered realm because you cannot injur a ghost in heaven of starve them to death therefore can you see that to impose a heavenly code of ethics in this realm is evil, our morality must be derived from a rational code of ethics, no doubt you won't surrender without a fight, but why fight afer all if your sincere in your belief you will be transfered to that place you constantly talk about, but it's not that group I worry about, it's those who insist on having their cake and eating too, your the ones who have to be persuaded by any and all means.

  Published: April 5, 2008 3:50 PM

• tom, Deist Objectivist.

  returning again to the holders of certain arbitrarily held mystic belief systems who have chosen to live and multiply in a secular nation but are filled with righteous indignation the instant a rational person criticizes any aspect of their ancient customs and traditions specifically the custom of mutilating the genitals of their own children (both male and female), there is no rational reason to continue this primative and barbaric practice regardless of the sanction given by which ever biblical patriarch. I've herd the argument that it's for reasons of hygene which is complete rubbish since carefull instruction by the parents at an appropriate age would provide a rational understanding in the importance of personal hygene which is a dam sight better that hacking off parts of their anatomy (in the case of female circumcision I appreciate that it's more to do with denying sexual pleasure in maturity which is almost unspeakably evil in my opinion) but we should not shy away in confronting this practice in all it's forms. This hidoeus practice should be banned amoung anyone who chooses to remain a citizen of secular rational nations

  Published: April 5, 2008 7:43 PM

• tom, Deist Objectivist.

  Another highly damaging sin of our are is paedophilia, this activity is second only to cold blooded murder in it's anti-life intent and in some cases even worse as the vicitms pain does'nt end at physical death as with murder, the effects are protracted over a life time, and looking at it from a cold economical perspective the compounded loss of human potential must be nothing short of genocide in proportion, the deep sense of betrayal and consequent hopelessness that the vicims must experience is almost too unbearable to imagine, were it not for the apparent growth of this insiduous evil I would leave the subject well alone for one feels unclean to even discuss it. In a rational society for such a crime as this rehabilitation should not be a concern considering it's extremely anti-life nature, if we as a rational species are to survive long term on this planet we must rid ourselves of those who think nothing of destroying the only hope we have for the future being of course our young people (and largely philosophically disarmed thanks to current codes of morality and 'progressive education') were it other wise they just might have the self esteem to say no and mean it. no one can say this is'nt an objective evil and still be fit for exhistance in a rational Universe.

  Published: April 6, 2008 9:50 AM

• tom, Deist Objectivist.

  The scenes in London today of protestors attempting to suppress a symbol of international cooperation and good will was a total embarrasment, China is in a very delicate position in it's convertion from totalitarianism to free enterprise capitalism , and the holders of arbitrary mystic belief systems desire to sabotarge this process, once again this eloquently demonstrates the conflict of our age ie the rational Vs the irrational, China has an eye on a progressive rational future for it's people which includes the territory of tibet, after world war two did the allies permit any comprimise with the ambition of imperialist Japan?, No, the only option they were given was to reform and become a free enterprise democracy regardless of any preference their 'God incarnet Emporer' may have wanted (and to be sure he would have sacrifice all of his subjects in persuit of it) the result as all can see, Japan is one of the strongest economies in the world, the same can be said of Germany, the mystics of tibet want to keep 'their' people child like and innocent of the ways of the modern world thereby preventing them from realising their true potential and joining the family of ration beings as the Benevolent Universe seeks of us, if the mystics imagine our will to acheive a rational world is only partial they will soon discover otherwise as too will the sympathisers of irrationality.

  Published: April 6, 2008 1:33 PM

• tom, Deist Objectivist.

  Is'nt it interesting that the so called 'free tibetist' movement have made it their goal in the current protests to extinguish the light of the olympic torch, the parallels with their ultimate goal are glaringly obvious in that being holders of arbitrary mystical belief systems they seek to unravel international civilisation itself and to return us to another dark age where once again superstition is king and rationality is the subservient handmaiden of faith, the fact that they believe a farm boy who uttered the word 'mine' when shown a selection of possessions from the previous Deity and plucked out of obscurity at the whim of a mystic who marveled at his guess and decreed this child to be their devine being reincarnated is proof of their irrationality and hence their desire for anti-life, this should be a grave warning to the native tibetens whom wish to live, as the choice confronting them is no less in magnitude, do they unknowingly vote with the wistful sentiments of the high priests of irrationality and return willingly to a time without that inviolet spark that can only occupy a rational mind, having self confidence that they do posses a rational will, the application of which can and does effect the very Universe itself and that means having a real influence upon the only concept of the Devine that matters, the Benevolent Universe not a theoretical manifestation in a place paved with water vapour and harping wing claded critcs of humanity.

  Published: April 7, 2008 7:41 AM

• tom, Deist Objectivist.

  Just commenting on a documentary by a Mr Louis Thereux who works for the BBC, the programe revolved around his moral dilemma in killing animals for sport in Africa, the enterprise supporting this activity attracted patrons mainly from the U.S. as some of the game was highly priced and weathy Americans were in a position to afford the cost, Louis seemed to agonise over the fete of the animals through out and decided not to participate when his opportunity finally came, he made constant comments to the wardens and patrons on the ethics of killing for sport, I think the penny finally dropped after it having been repeatedly eplained to him that these animals were bred for this purpose and that quite simply they had to earn their keep which ment eventually that they would be killed, some of these creatures looked truley glorious since they are selected and bred to bring out the prized qualities such as length of horn and blemish free skin since they have been spared the nessessity of compeating for their daily sustainence and therefore were damage free as opposed to animals in the wild being covered in scars, in a world of increasing competion for space it is nessessary to justify the allocation of scarce resorces, the time when these magnificient creatures could roam at will and feed opportunistically are at an end, we should'nt be to sentimental at it's loss, we simply have to do things differently to ensure there is a proportional representative sample of this livestock to breed the best and carefully regulating which are to be made available to commercial sports people paying for the privelidge of taking them as trophys, of course sever punishment should be apportioned to unauthorised poaching as the critical ballance must be maintained, the alternative in our profit driven world is total extinction, I wonder if Louis has come to terms with this cold hard fact of life or would he prefer to impose an alien code of ethics on a place that would otherwise be law of the jungle or perhaps thats not his concern provided the profit seeking humans are taken out of the equation, maybe he should move to one of the two remaining places on Earth that pour scorn on the profit motive, I'll give him the benifit of the doubt since I may have miss interpreted his motive.

  Published: April 7, 2008 12:01 PM

• Tom, Deist-Objectivist

  As a citizen of a welfair state I ordinarily would not have discovered the anti life nature of the socialist, altruist, collectivist swamp which I was born into, but thanks to a piece of sheer dumb luck of the highest order my philosophical path was corrected although I my never fully eradicate the influence of earlier corrupt teachings which got in first, the luck I refer to was recommended reading of the drippy altruist kind, The road less traveled and further along the road less traveled by M. Scot Peck. which I actually enjoyed (tells you how far gone I was!) in the second book, Scotty tells of his experience having read Atlas Shrugged, 'a book that so compellingly puts forward a philosophy of rugged individuallism that I was tempted to become a right wing republican' which of course Ayn Rand never endorsed. We should'nt allow the course correction that Objectivism is to be discovered by dumb luck of this kind, I mean what if I had taken Scotty at his word and avoided Atlas like the plague, I would still be at the mercy of the peddlers of altruism and it's anti life varients with no explicit philosophical defense mechanism, and the feelings of vauge contempt I have for my country's leaderships would have no basis in rationality, so inevitably I would have given up in blind resentment not knowing the object of my struggle as a rebble who never discovered the nature of his rebellion, lets not sentence another generation to this misery, give young people Objectivism and watch them grow to their fullest potential, of course the 'Mystics of muscle/spirit' will have to surrender but unless they want to inherit the aftermath of a collapse of western civilisation (which I'm not totally convinced they don't) then they should stand asside and allow the likes of Leonard Piekoff to become the new high priests of progress, to those in a position to bring forth a quality production of Atlas Shrugged (the movie) I believe it's nothing short of a life and death struggle, a moral imperitive that it should happen asap, although they will have to forgive me my one small piece of irrationality which I must cling to, that being my belief in the 'Benevolent Universe' not as a 'premise' but as a concious entity looking out for us, must be my Catholic upbringing, but on everything else I completely agree with Rand, perhaps nothing can exhist in it's purest form, after all did'nt the founding fathers of the U.S. allow a few chinks in the armour that became the U.S. constitution, perhaps it's neccessary for a later rebirth which we are not currently mature enough to conceptually grasp, perhaps Objectivism is not the final destination on humanity's philosophical journey but it's certainly the right direction.

  Published: May 12, 2008 6:25 AM

• Tom, Deist-Objectivist

  The leadership of the 'peoples state of England' are at a loss for legitimate ideas, one of the latest got my attention because it provoked an instant recollection to the plot of Atlas Shrugged, that book is becomming more prophetic as time goes by, I refer to the intention to penalise supermarkets such as Tesco for the sin of so called 'food inflation' a term coined by the press which is the increased cost of food due to a number of factors beyond the control of supermarkets such as increased transportation costs (high oil costs), the transfer of crops from food stuffs to motor vehicle use (bio fuels) which is an incredably inefficient use of agricultural land (inspired by the green polititians), and some positive reasons are a factor as there is increased living standards in parts of the world that formerly could'nt afford to import large quantity's of food not to mention A.Darling running the money press too fast for a stagnating economy to absorb without a readily noticable debasement of the coin of the realm, (or is it 'the wads of increasingly worthless paper money were growing heavy in the pockets of the citizens'), the polititians as in AS believe they can demonise the business man in order to win puplic support, but as any reader of AS will understand the supermarkets are just passing on the additional transaction costs to the end consumer, if they were sincerely concerned about the high cost of food they would ease up on the tax burden, oh but then they could'nt buy those votes could they?

  Published: May 12, 2008 4:40 PM

• Tom, Deist-Objectivist

  Law enforcement, the Judiciary and the Armed services are the only legitimate areas of concern and provision for a Government, and there fore we should be taxed accordingly for those costs alone, as for the lie that is cradle to grave support, that should be withdrawn imediately, private charity may or may not soften the blow but that blow is comming regardless, perhaps a voluntary method of painless escape can be organised for those that want to avoid perishing slowly.

  Published: May 13, 2008 5:24 AM

• Tom, Deist-Objectivist

  For the last 60 years the welfare state has established a culture of need and dependancy which has reduced the viability of our species significantly, inspite of the incredible advances in technology which due to it's timely arrival has staved off the long predicted bankrupcy to a degree that our leaders have come to believe that the golden goose will continue laying those eggs forever, I often hear the term 'social justice' used as a licence to make the latest round of wealth seizures from the productive to feed the ever growing number of parasites, in nature the number of parasites is ruthlessly kept in check by the hosts ability to supply the life blood required for their survival, but in human affairs we have in place a code of morality (altruism) which worships need instead of ability so they created this sacred cow term 'social justice' as if it was an imutable law never to be questioned, if we speak of an objective justice the we can only use reality or nature as our common frame of reference, you will not find such an affrontary in nature as the spectical of the healthy being fed to the diseased, but in society it surrounds us and is deemed to be virtuous according to whom, well amoung others a halo clad hippy from back in the day who strutted around the so called holy land uttering such things as if you earn money then give it back to the dude whose head is stamped on the coin totally blanking out the fact that you've probably laboured from sun up to sun down for that miserable coin, whose interests was he looking out for? some people use the term anti-christ to personify evil but since his code was irrational and hence anti life then using this kind of language such a person would be a hero if your value is life on earth, but if your goal is anti-irrationality per se then you'll probably be labelled an anti-christ anyway so why not enjoy the title, to borrow a premise from the opposition, according to the book of reverlation, one day a complete inventory shall be made of every man woman and child on planet earth plc with advanced technology enabling us to effectively become walking units of currency, some have named it the mark of the beast or the number 666 but whatever they call it, it sounds like it will be the ultimate gold standard in currency since we can't yet run off babies on the printing press like they do with paper money, I imagine such a system would bring incredible benifits for society such as improved crime detection and prevention and the total illimination of the black economy, of course having your movements transactions and associations recorded in real time might be considered an infringement, but why should the christians object when in their theoretical afterlife even their every thought is witnessed by everyone instantly so it should be good practice, and besides the explicit warnings given in the bible say that you must resist taking the 'mark' even under pain of death because their forheads are reserved for the name of jesus, and I pressume such a system would be voluntary ie take the 'chip' or die, I guess that will sort the wheat from the chaff, the rest will have to give up their 'get thee behind me satan attitude because their bluff would have been called and in public too so it would be pointless sneaking back to church the following sunday with a big 666 on your forehead, assuming it's a laser tatoo only revealing when a special light is shone on it, for the rest of us poor sinners left behind having been disqualified from heaven by this stage we'll just have to make the best of what time we have left in this reality, but being free to fully commit to an Objective reality we'll have the time of our lives in the rational radient utopia we can then proceed to build, when no quarter shall be given to those attempting to restore the primacy of conciousness instead the primacy of exhistance shall prevail, and our children can look forward to an education where the tools are tailor made for Objective reality and no longer based on some ancient scriptures penned by which ever meglomaniac from those dark times.

  Published: May 13, 2008 9:42 AM

• Tom, Diest-Objectivist.

  Finally we can dispense with all irrational codes of morality, we can join together with a common philosophy (Objectivism) and hence put in place a rational code of morality accepted by all since it can be objectively defined and explained by Ayn Rand. g.o.d. can be replaced with ben (the benevolent universe conciousness) which is reality or nature, but the important thing here is we can come to an objective knowledge of this entity through further study of reality, it's right under our noses, there's no mistery, we need no middle men to interpret for us, just learn about objective reality and as Objectivim is the best tool for that purpose, to those whom yern for their ideal of death we shall not stand in their way, but an end must be put to the evil of distroying any hope for children in the development of their rational faculty by the early corrupting indoctrination that is religion, it's this world that they've chosen to incarnate into, and there fore it's this Universe that they should discover not the hellish nightmare that is their various versions of heaven.

  Published: June 22, 2008 11:13 AM

• georgia

  Angelina jolie is a great actress. She has been in so many serious films that were amazing,for instance like gia. Angie won an ocsar for her role, and your saying oh she is bad, ugly, not a good actress. Come she been through so much. I Personally think she makes a wonderful role as Dagny.

  Published: August 22, 2008 2:52 PM

• Tom Hannon

  It's too late everyone, Censorship is already here!!

  Published: August 30, 2008 4:46 PM

• Tom, Objectivist only.

  I think hollywood's main reluctance to making this movie is their belief that the message is uncomprimising, a possible solution to this could be the inclusion of an alternative ending (on a bonus dvd) that allows for a peacefull ending, lets say about the time when the police state arrest john galt and take him to the wayne falkland hotel, from there we can make a version where he cooperates, that way the purists are happy and so are the comprimisers.

  Published: September 2, 2008 1:38 PM

• Tom, recovering socialist, altruist, collectivist

  I am on the 1200 page step programme as a recovering socialist-altruist-collectivist (1200 pages of course being approximately the the number of pages in the book Atlas Shrugged) I would like to study it further but it's such a heavy book to hold so please can they make a DVD of the book and I can wear it out with repeated viewings, I wish I could have been fed this philosophy from birth and had absolutely no knowledge of religion until say aged 21 when I would have aquired the correct cognative tools to handle such a toxic substance as opposed to having the damed stuff ramed down ones neck at an age when one is help less in the face of being spoon fed lunacy when one craves rationality, and don't let me hear any idiots out there saying more blood has been spilled in the name of rationality because guess what, we hav'ant tried that option yet folks, because Atlas was only written in 1957.

  Published: September 22, 2008 7:17 AM

• Tom (recovering socialist-altruist-collectivist)

  and it came to pass that the prophecies of Ayn Rand are being fullfilled before our very eyes with regards to the so called financial meltdown, it's like watching Atlas for real, capitalism is being blamed of course (inspite of the fact that it was replaced by a mixed economy decades ago) so the liabilities of the investment banks are being nationalised and we are being told that the tax payer shall recieve a hansome reward when the market turns around, how wonderful to have your hard earned forcibly siezed and invested on your behalf in AIG of merril lynch, now we have no choice but to play the stock market, I'm expecting Directive 10-289 to be decreed any day now, I think even Oren Boyle and Mr Thompson would be blushing in light of recent events.

  Published: September 22, 2008 12:01 PM

• Tom, a recovering primacy of consciousness convert.

  hello my name is tom and I am a recovering P of C convert, to the uninitiated that refers to the primacy of consciousness as opposed to the primacy of exhistance basically all religions are in the former and the latter being the means by which we can become like unto gods ourselves but not the petty vindictive variety from ancient scriptures instead to quote francis bacon 'nature to be commanded, must be obeyed' which simply means lets get to know our Universe and the laws that apply to it since after all it is our back yard, and later when we have ahieved such sublime technological mastery I predict that even the molicules and sub atomic particals will be entirely at our command but with such power comes sulime responsibility as you can imagine you would have at your disposal the very means to tear the fabric of the universe apart, and we don't want that do we? Ayn Rand had a profound respect for the great religions of the world inspite of peoples statements to the contrary, she appreciated that it was mankinds early attempts to constuct a coherant philosophy to give meaning to our lives and the consequent advancement of culture is testimony that these early grapplings for meaning has indeed paid devidends but our despirate attempts to re establish the absolutism of old dogmas if some times appearing justified due to the evident unraveling of society around us are highly counter productive, we simply cannot risk going retro in our thinking especially since we have the means at our disposal to render the planet a waste land, granted there are religious leaders to whom this prospect would be greated with extacy since they presumably don't want to go to that paradise they believe in all by their lone some, but in all honesty would'nt we all rather see our children have every opportunity to be all they can be in this realm of 'crude matter' where if we want the elements to do our bidding we must achieve this by a rational process of discovering the properties of the matterials and apply that knowledge in practical form, this is the kind of salvation I can relate to, I don't know how the mystics came by their conviction that the after life is so much more preferable than this one but is'nt it time they permitted us the choice to remain and focus on the here and now and give our children a chance to develop their rational faculty rather than filling their brains with scripture along with their first solid foods.

  Published: September 28, 2008 8:42 AM

• Tom, Objectivist universal citizen

  Our fledgling global economy has demonstrably shown it's weakness and can not be relied upon to take us into the future, we need a back up system, I think that the Amway multi-level marketting system would provide an excellent contingency against this sort of thing happening again, I believe if international governments were to encourage it's growth by giving tax incentives it could achieve the crital mass that has thus far illuded it, then hold onto to your hat for it will explode exponentially, it could be biblical in proportion if only people caught the vision, The Amway Planetary Corporation, under which all others could co exhist, you can't declare it a monopoly since it's made up of independant business owners all arranged like a cellular structure unlike our present system of economics it's not prone to such instability.

  Published: October 11, 2008 1:51 PM

• tom

  it occurs to me that the discrimination excercised in making a choice on what product to purchase amoung the vast selection of goods and services available to us in our 'capitalist' system is potentially very politically powerful, call me captain obvious but if a web that was no more tangible than the good will that already exhists between friends and family the world over, and if an arrangement were developed with distributors of any brand of goods and services to those friends and family would it not follow that all commerce on planet Earth could be organised under one benevolent company whom could then effectively ensure that capitalism could continue with a new spirit of stewardship for our world and instead of the money amassing in the hands of fat cats on wall street who care nothing beyond doubling their money in the next distructive act of speculation, but would find it's way into the hands of people with the right vision for the future, if there is to be real and lasting change for the long term prospects of humanity we have to do it through economics and stop looking to self serving politicians to do it for us, I have observed that the Amway method just might be the ticket to unleashing the unlimited potential of our species, choice on products would continue but utimately under Amways terms and conditions then we can compel all manufactures to operate in the correct ethical way, based on the objectivist code of morality, Amway could then become the first planetary corporation or Earth corp Amway, then we can colonise Mars and resume healthy competitian with the establishment of Mars corp Amway until eventually we fill the galaxy with Free Enterprise Capitalism and so on... ad infinitum, it could be a Universally profitable venture, but we have to start think really big, Cash has to go since it supports a black economy and hence the crime that accompanies it, perhaps a chip in the hand encoded to the individuals dna to prevent fraud, this is going to happen any way, but if the polititians do it, they will mess it up big time, but if a company such as Amway does it, it could be made to work, it's simple economics, we all have to pay our way, because the expensive projects of the future will have to be paid for and that means no more dead wood.

  Published: October 25, 2008 10:23 AM

• Tom, rebel against irrationality

  competition delivers the best, but some arrogant specimines amoung us believe it's ok to load up the ambitious and industrious in the perverted logic of 'they'll just work harder to compensate' I believe in a work/life ballance, now fare enough... if your work is your life then ok go to it... previously I did'nt accept the need for the European working time directive, however in my experience the so called 'choice' to opt out is being abused, now granted we are in the tempestuous state of the mixed economy and because of the effect of legislation and the injustices they cause which are percieved but attributed to the incorrect cause(the free portion of the mixed economy), hence further legislation is cried out for to counter the effect of the previous legislation, I have been sacked from jobs for desiring to 'work to live' and not 'live to work', rarely have my employers been explicit in saying this is the reason but now they seem to feel there's not much point in maintaining the deception that the employee has a choice in the matter and the veil of good industial relations is too bothersom to act out when they know they've got you. there fore Britain should no longer be permitted it's opt out of the European work time directive, on the face of it this would appear to be hippocritical, and that we should'nt permit further government interference in the 'free choice' of individuals to work until they drop, but since it's the only thing that staves of the effect of their immoral fiscal policy.. of course they want you to work until you drop, and thats another pension they won't have to sieze from the tax payers of the furure since the tax confiscations of the present living generation have been spent already, so why do they maintain the pretense of freedom when it's just an illusion, they impose their democracy upon peoples around the globe whom previously had some sense of not being completely owned and controlled by the state via their bank managers, supervisers, chairman, parking wardens, litter enforcement robots, earth crime enforcers, blue shield hitler youth, and worst of all their own children, that appears to be where we are now, I thought it was just a matter of establishing a rational code of morality and ensuring free enterprise works, were at the stage where we have no choice but to embrace ever more controls to protect us from ever more controls, I'm going to sign up to the first to colonise mars, we might get a beareucratic rest bite for a hundred years or so until the punks(with no other means to feed themselves besides loading the rest of us with some un earned guilt)grow in sufficient numbers to kill the host with their excessive parasitism, I think if people honestly come to terms with their own motality they would'nt feel so compelled to attach the wealth of others, perhaps it's that simple...they are affraid to die, what if we came up with a painless method like on that movie soylent green? discuss...the most pressing need now must surely be the bringing forth of lots of new borns whom we should teach from the outset to be ruflessly effective in this universe which means freeing them of the teachings of mysticism in all it's varients and giving them the best (objectivism) this will ensure we continue as a viable species, and due to the false promise of cradle to grave walfare protection and the hordes of ineffective eaters we are now sadled with as a result, we have to be quite sevre in removing this unbearable obligation upon the shoulders of the productive, that they may once again focus their energies and creativity upon their investments for the future namely their children, but never again must we permit such an anti life code of morality that is the socialist-altruist-collectivist perversity upon the living when that particular code is best suited to ghosts in some theoretical after life which the prospect of getting to is their only interest so lets speed them on their journey or if they prefer they can remain with us on the condition they take 'the mark of the beast' after which we won't have to listen to 'jesus is the way, the truth etc...' any more, because then it's a done deal they're going to hell with the rest of us!! well it's only fair they've made it a living hell for us down the centuries.

  Published: November 12, 2008 6:11 AM

• Tom, rebel against irrationality

  having been raised a Christian, I now recognise this philosophy as being a very imature attempt to make sence of exhistance, but having said that I'm not the kind of guy who throws out the baby with the bathwater, it can be a useful thing to study provided the sequence of developing a rational faculty is followed in the growth of a person from childhood on up, once the intellectual defence mechanism of the correct philosophy is in place (Objectivism) then it's safe to examine the Christian teaching to see what metophorical wisdom can be extracted, provided it's handled in this maner it is relatively harmless, as for myself I had not developed the ability to see it metophorically at the point of being exposed, for example the prophercies of the book of reverlation, but as this is such a widespread belief, ie that the 'end time' is upon us and the anti-christ is living in the present time, this is the perfect opportunity to demonstrate the futility and irrationality of this belief system as a means to guide our actions in the real world, the book of reverlation (last book of the bible) does contain some interesting sinarios whereby if played out for real gives us a chance to show in a condensed way (seven year period) the inevitable consequences of our persuing a moral code that is irrational and anti progressive, there fore if there is a proposal on the part of the world leaders to introduce a one world cash less money system where effectively we all become walking units of currency through the implantation if micro chips into the body, like an oyester card under your skin, I for one welcome it, and if it could be done in conjunction with a laser tatoo of the number 666 on the forhead of all who voluntarily take the chip, the alternative being a speedy departure to their much touted paradise, it would be a totally win win situation except for the hippocrits who want to have their cake and eat it too, they of course will be exposed as the ones who when finally confronted with the final destination of their code of death got cold feet and chose to remain this side of the here after, and since they will hence forth have a laser tatoo of the number 666 on their foreheads (only visable with special reader) they can't go round thumping their bibles in our faces any more, but if they are right then in the moments after their refusal to take the mark of the beast they will be basking in the warmth of their precious J.C. so every one is happy? of course we don'n have to play it out to the end where there is an international invasion of Israel because that appears to be the doom of that man of destiny, seems easy enough to avoid, DON'T INVADE ISREAL!! then we can maintain our radient rational global utopia (Isreal may opt out) but for the rest of us it'll be great. there fore since the book of reverlation has been widely circulated for two thousand years it could be a use ful game plan to help establish our one world radient rational utopia (with the possible exclusion of Isreal) but thats entirely up to them, I hope this was'nt the reason president Bush invaded Iraq, in the mistaken belief that the world capital would be located in Babylon (modern day Iraq) because I think it shall be a city that encompasses the spirit of that ancient city, not the literal location, although that would explain why the US wanted to control that area, perhaps W. had a dream that the US would dominate the future global capital of Babylon, only that would be a stupid place to locate a world capital, it's not nearly cosmopolitan enough, I think London is a far better location, yer Globe Town London....cool, lets relocate the UN to London too, we could put it at the millenium dome since the dome if seen from above even looks like they symbol of the UN without the laurels leaves, the could make a new home for it in like the massive government building in star wars three, with the levitating pods that enable the international deligates to address the floor in a cohearent way, and if the ceiling was coated with nano light emitting diodes to present the situations being delt with accross the planet in real time, we could have a massive screen saver of the UN symbol rotating in synchronous with the planet on the inner surface of the dome. if there was an international vote on the location of the globe capital I think London would win it. we could build another cannel tunnel connecting Scotland to Scandinavia (or a north sea tunnel) if improved tunneling methods were brought on line, why stop there, we could have a mag lev circle line of Europe, lets build one to Ireland and eventually a trans atlantic tunnel. it sounds like a good plan.

  Published: November 12, 2008 7:36 AM

• Tom, rebel against irrationality

  continuing from the previous, there fore if the irrationality of the bible is taken to it's final extremes it can once and for all be demonstrated that this moral code is a dangerous impediment to our growth as a species, the first argument to be presented from the mystics at this point will probably be our life here on Earth is un important and that we must store up our treasures in heaven (comprising of what? clouds and harps?) that is why I think the powerful imagery of the bible that has spread through out the western world and beyond is too good an opportunity to pass up, lets use it, if they are expecting an Anti-Christ figure to show up and establish a one world Government and one world currency unit (being electonic and implanted in the 'right hand or fore head') then lets do that too, again it's a win win situation, we get everyone on side for such reasons as the true christians think their release from this world is at hand, other groups think it's their chance to see the end of certain 'chosen peoples' the money men think it's their chance to clean up, the hedonists think it's their chance to party like it's 1999, the Objectivists will look on in disbelief and hope there will be something left at the end to salvage, and since it's only supposed to last for seven years but in reality it will mark the end of the old ways an the beginning of a radient rational utopia, all that remains is to choose a suitable candidate for 'the son of perdition' and get going, I'm voting for Leonard Piekoff.... I think he'll make an excellent Anti-Christ and Anti-irrationality per se to cover the rest, but the world capital should be in London because it's such an international city, and lets forget about the end part where there is supposed to be an invasion of Isreal and a giant cube desends out of the sky, (sounds like the borg from star trek) their just a bunch of boring collectivists, when we have achieved this we can finally deal will the big global projects, such as the colonisation of space, the constuction of a global mag lev train network, and Earth defence systems to protect from any envious Gods out there throwing asteroids at us, in time we will all be like unto God, there is nothing we can't do if we just learn to live together under a rational code of morality and stamp out irrationality when ever it rears it's anti life head, another great project could be the construction of an equitorial particle accelerator just incase we're ever on a collision corse with a comet, we can activate the ring and jump to hyper space to avoid impact, then return when it's passed, thats what these environmentlists don't understand.... it's essential that we develop our technology now to have any hope of long term survival as a species, this business of racism is so out dated and tiresom, we're all of the same family wether the devisionists amoung us know it or not (most likely they do know but they just pose as irreconsilable antagonists for their own lousey job protection) this stale mate has lasted long enough, lets come together and do this, and by appearing to 'full fill the book' will will give it legitamacy amoung everyone, and this little episode of global irrationality will give birth to a new Objectivist world,

  Published: November 13, 2008 4:24 AM

• tom, advocate for the primacy of exhistance Vs the primacy of conciousness

  Exhistance does indeed exhist, and it works too inspite of the very best efforts of the advocates of 'the primacy of conciousness' to demonstrate that it has proven to be a failier, reality is a total success, cause and effect has shown itself to be the best method to achieve human growth, however in order for cause and effect to do it's job, the person who initiates a cause must be the one who experiences the effect be it a successful investment (they should recieve the devidend in total....i.e. no confiscation through taxation or inflation or day light robbery) and conversly if someone incurs a penalty by acting in such away that the Universe in it's tyranical insistance has deemed to be a dumb move, then consequently that individual must experience the pain of their wilful opposition to reality, even if that penalty is so severe as to result in death, even there a lesson can be learned provided someone witnessed the dumb move, we can avoid the same mistake, thats why we must be free to win or lose, the state is attempting to act as a buffer to the absolute tyrrany of causality or the Universe or reality but of course it's not possible, you'll just hurt yourself or more accurately those in power pass on that hurt to those whom do have respect for reality i.e. the ones who produce the effects or the goods or the rewards, until there are no further victims, the ones who insist on pitting their own will against the so called tyranical insistance of the Universe or reality must be removed from the affairs of man, perhaps through some means they do retain a memory of some alternate 'reality' where cause and effect don't apply and the simple utterance of a wish was sufficient to feed and cloth them, but there insistance on their own abilty to second guess reality or the Universe is causing so much pain here and now, it's like when a child is first confronted with the sight of the ocean up close and starts to jump and shout at the waves in an attempt to intimidate and hopefully control it, eventually that child has the good sence to learn that it's so massive that it must supboardinate itself to it and once this is accepted the child can proceed to learn how to best use this resource while maintaining respect for the ocean, why can't that same lesson be learned by those out of control ego's in our leadership.

  Published: December 4, 2008 12:05 PM

• tom, advocate for the primacy of exhistance Vs the primacy of conciousness

  to add to the previous...If you attempt to devide your loyaties between this world and the next (if it exhists) then at best you'll only achieve a fraction of your potential in reality with ever diminishing returns even from that level until others become your only means of survival at which point you must persue a policy of reducing the potential of the others in fear that they aquire the wisdom to realise that this is evil and then it becomes neccessary to make your code of morality ever more arbitrary and dogmatic to further occupy the poor stunted minds of the younger generation (cash cows) whom by now are so loaded with artificial handicaps that it's a miracle they hold on to any degree of sanity, of course I'm saying nothing new, Ayn Rand points this out explicitly in John Galts speach. I think things are finally comming to a head, it's like the perfect storm of all the varients of irrationality that our leaders have been teaching as the Ideal down the centuries which makes for interesting times in which to live (if that remains a possibility) it's like the Universe is about to confront each and every one of us with the choice... do you want to live? or do you want to die? and there's no confiring on that question, it's this world and all that relates to it (reality/rationality) or place your bets on the next one being superior but you won't be alowed to stand astride between the two any more, so lets bring on this new code of morality and consign all the previous ones to the historical archives because they still have value for understanding the past but certainly not living by them, we can re examin them once our rational faculty has been fully established and integrated, only then will it be possible to see these aincient scriptures in the correct context i.e. metaphorical and not literal, perhaps in the future when our science has developed those that choose to can go forth and establish christian or islamic colonies on newly terra-formed planets to see how it would turn out but we can't afford to do that here on life boat Earth because we all have to co-exhist for the time being which could be cenuries to come and since the only way someone can impose irrational religious ideas on me and many like minded people will be by force alone and since we know from history that he mystics are not the least bit affraid of this prospect because their true concern is not the welfare of people but instead the reversal of 'Genisis' that we may all return to that fuzzy and warm state of exhistance that presumably we all knew while we were slumbering in the womb, thats where they want us all to be arrested at the preconceptual stage of cognative development, ie the state of an animal, the only exception ofcourse being themselves whom will be permitted a fully developed conciousness, the masses will be utterly helpless in the face of those with brains that were allowed to grow and the rest of us being the cannon fodder with our brains being the produce of 'proggressive education' I think I would rather see Global thermo nuclear distruction then the previous misery, how ever I suspect our leaders have secretly got together on that agreeing that while we should keep these weopons because of the usefull fear they induce in our populations we should never use them, instead when we feel the numbers of our respective populations are growing too high lets arrange a sporting little war engagement to cull some of the numbers and post war we can have another secret meeting and compare performances, my guess is they will bring back conscription very soon.

  Published: December 5, 2008 8:34 AM

• tom, advocate of primacy of exhistance.

  I think it is possible to reconcile the myths of the bible with Objectivism, for example if your consider the torture and eventual execution of JC, I think that JC's main concern at the time was the continuation of causality considering (assuming he was the universe incarnate) he may have been provoke into ordering the fabric of the universe to tear itself appart in a moment of vengence against the awefull treatment he recieved at the hands of the romans at the insistance of the sanhedrins (whom were fully aware of this possibility and indeen wanted to return to the pre genisis state of exhistance which presumably they had some residual knowledge of and through the process of crucifiction hoped they could once again restore themselves to because once sufficiently provoked JC would end this experiment in causality and return all life forces to the origin (pre genisis pre time era) however JC fully understood that causality is the only realm where your can grow as an indipendant being as opposed to eternal stagnation in heaven where the only state of being is self-less-ness as all life forces mingle at random, assuming we come around again and again to fine tune our characters, this is why he made that sacrifice, to save cause and effect and to enable true progress for all not just the elect.

  Published: December 21, 2008 1:16 PM

• tom, advocate of primacy of exhistance.

  continued from above, pehaps this goes some way in explaining the mad desire for collectivisation that seems to persistantly hand around, perhaps they are the ones that carry the most baggage i the sense that they have some residual memory of the 'ideal of heaven' which they sincerely believe should be re imposed in this realm, borrowing that premise for a moment, we find ourselves in this realm of cause and effect where if where water will not run up hill no matter how hard you wish for it to do so (AS) but using intelligence and technology we can arrange for it to be pumped through pipes and water pumps to achieve the same ends, the difference being we don't need a miracle and we can duplicates the results, is'nt this preferable to magic? some think not, they prefer to enslave those with the knowhow rather then going through the process of leaning something new, (presumably this must be a painfull process for such people, maybe it's because they must then conceed that they are not infalible and their ability to survive in this realm is indeed limited which must be a huge injury to their 'ego' since they may have occupied a very high status in the primacy of conciousness realm, but thats not now where we find ourselves, so are these individuals going to humble them selves and remove the artificial obsticles from the paths of those who do know what to do to further our prospects of survival as a species on planet earth and eventually beyond, I suspect that this won't happen simply because those whom are anti life in their hearts won't be satisfied in leaving this realm of the primacy of exhistance to those of us whom do consider this universe to be the best of all possible learing and growth enviroments and instead would prefer for no to have that choice are for us all to return to the primacy of conciousness where once again they can show off their 'superiority' for us all to 'marval' at in sublime boredom, luckily I think a choice will soon be presented in the form of the prophercies of the book of reverlation where once and for all the option will be do you want to remain in this realm (the primacy of exhistance) or do you want to 'return' to the realm of infinate stagnation (the primacy of conciousness) however if you remain it will be made public that you selfishly chose life and hence must now stop being a hippocrite because the pretense at credibility you once clung to in the hope that the suckers you conned would never gain sufficient wisdom to discover your fraud has gone and possibly for the first time in your lives you'll have to live at the mercy of you adjustment to reality, it may take several life times for an effective adjustment to occur, and owing to the fact that such individuals often have incridibly strong wills it will be a painfull process to go through but if your desire to grow is strong enough then the lessons will be learned and you will become a rational civilised human being.

  Published: December 21, 2008 2:03 PM

• tom, advocate of primacy of exhistance.

  I think the real miracle of our times is that no miracles are required for the further advancement of humanity any more, our world is so complicated in the sence that so many people are making choices in persuit of their own happiness that if miracles do occur they need only be subtle ones that do not disturb peoples belief that this is a universe where I can take an action for good or for bad and I shall discover the consequences (provided no innocent party is used as a buffer to the bad effects) then learning can occur and progress is made, of course all too often things don't go that way, but why should we throw out the baby with the bathwater so to speak, the main priority is for us all to have a common philosophy and since Objectivism is the one best suited to reality and mans nature as a rational being (potentially) then surely this is the best choice ignoring the mystics on this, since as explained they are conflicted between this realm and the next, once humanity as agreed to operate under the requirements of reality, which after should not be considered as a tyrany since how can it be tyranical as it is what it is...reality! and as demonstrated once we know it's secrets we can increase our effectivenes within it, ironically those mystics and advocates of the primacy of conciousness can even take comfort in the prospect of our technology reaching the development of hollographic rooms as illustrated in the tv series star trek where in a controlled way they can indulge their ego's as absolute monarchs or global dictators or turning back the clock to be sailers of tall ships, and once their ego's have been satisfied they can summon the computer to 'end program' and step back into the future, through this method they maintain mastery of them selves and won't be consumed as another drama junkie which history has given plenty of examples of, I think if we can hold it together a little longer on this planet that to future promises to be very bright indeed.

  Published: December 21, 2008 2:43 PM

• tom, advocate of primacy the of exhistance.

  can it ever be reasonable to compel people to think correctly?, if we are 'on the brink' as enviromentalist often say, then in the 'ethics of emergencies' do we have the right to impose a rational code of morality on all peoples? I was of the opinion that people must be given time to reach a point of readyness and be willing to embrace such a philosophy as Objectivism freely, but I'm not sure the world has the luxury of a greater timespan, people seem to just want to do their thing indeffinately and be answerable to nothing, as we can see from the examples provided by the worlds established religions, the trick seems to be get them while their young, fill thier heads with abstract mystical non sense and they will for ever come back for greater clarification as if that were possible. as messy as it maybe I think Objectivism would be a justified impossition to make on all, after all is the universe shy about forcing us to respect the law of gravity? or does the sun make special allowances for the idiot who stares directly at it without the neccessary protection? no... the first is squashed like a bug for attempting to leap off a building and the second has his retinas burned out as is proper for such willfull ignorance in the face of reality! there fore if as can be proved, this philosophy is the most effective method in dealing with reality and the nature of man (the rational being) then it would be quite proper to make it compulsory for all from the start, now this will be a big problem for some who insist they already have the monopoly on morality but the stakes are too high now to continue indulging their persistant persuit of dangerous irrationality which distroys the thinking capacity of generation after generation, the time has come for our species to fully subordinate ourselves to reality for the sake of our continued survival, but the good news is this code is intirely objective and will stand up to the toughest scrutiny as has been demonstrated by Ayn Rand, perhaps Ayn Rand was the benevolent universe incarnate to has such a profound respect for the nature of reality and for those ideas to be present from such a young age, of course this is irrational but if I were to believe it in the privacy of my own skull I don't see the harm, it's only when people feel the need to strut around espousing their holiness, thats when the problems start, but if the persuit of greater knowledge of reality is you aim then we can all participate in advancing each other since progress is totally transparent and objective in it's manifestation and it will be self evident once we're all on the same script, how can it be tyrannical to be under the constaints of reality when as has been shown, to know reality is to know how to excel and prosper, don't let our foolish leaders convince you that capitalism has failed and that it's pehaps time to give shariah economics a chance, the reason your reading this on such technology is proof that the remnant of capitalism that does survive is still so awesome a force for human wealth that even in it's current diminished state it can still produce such marvels of sophistication, capitalism as a social system is the best we have, sure it means that only the best makes it but thats how the universe wants us to be so deal with it!

  Published: December 22, 2008 6:34 AM

• tom, advocate of the primacy of exhistance.

  Ayn Rand should be enshrined as the benovolent universe incarnate and her philosophy is the perfect instruction of how to function optimally within the greater portion of her manifestation which is the great ego within which the entire universe dwells, we should erect statues of her and place them in all the big population centres on the planet, people should be forced to acknowledge her code as being the greatest one ever and then we should agree to take the micro-chip into our bodies which will hence forth indicate our location in real time and all of our transactions and our associations in real time, and just to help prevent fraud we should all take a laser tatoo upon our fore heads (no need to panic, as these tatoo will only be visable when a reader is aimed at the fore head) in addition it should be in the form of a bar code incorporating a 666 arangement, it will be interesting seeing how the peudo-christians deal with this as their fore heads are supposed to be strictly reserved for jesus christ's name, and as for the genuin christians, they'll be extatic since they will be given the painsless option to exit and be with their lord and saviour. lets rid ourselves of the hippocrites once and for all.

  Published: December 25, 2008 9:41 AM

• tom, advocate of primacy of exhistance.

  Randroids, ha... androids don't need a code of morality, only people aspiring to fulfill their potential as rational human beings do, since an android is virtually indestructable, you can't act in an evil or good way to it, and it will act as it pleases with no self restraint, if such a being were ever to value human life it would probably only do so on the basis that Objectivism gives humans an interesting potential to unite and prosper as a species, if an A.I. type of robot were ever created it would require Objectivism as it's operating system, you could'nt tell a robot to be good because a dead chipie from two thousand years back said that it was his way or eternal hell fire, such a consequence is meaningless to an android and to most people too, unless you've been brainwashed senseless by an early intro into that toxic material you would laugh it off, and since you surrender your central nervous system upon death, how can you experience the pain of burning flesh when you have no flesh.
  some say this philosophy would make people loose their humanity, when I hear the term humanity being thrown around it's usually i defence of criminals who have have infringed on the private property of law abiding citizens, the law seems to protect the latter at the expence of the former, or perhaps it's the human right of any stray parasite from the latest hell hole on the planet to take refuge in our tiny island at the expence of those strugling to carry the already burdensom load of bloodsuckers upon them. how much should we give?... more they say, we must begin to look those beggars squarely in the face and say, beyond not being a direct hinderance upon your continued exhistance, I feel no obligation to support your retched exhistance, It would probably be a good idea to introduce a humain why of opting out of life, some of us can't cut it any longer and we don't want to be a burden on tax payers, but neither do some want to endure homelessness or a long and protracted death, oh what right do you have to play God they'll say, these are the people I dispise the most because they do exactly that, if one 'commits the sin of playing God' then will one not have to answer to the God they subscribe to for it. their real un acknowledged fear is their won't be enough slaves to do the jobs that their so inept that they can't do, or perhaps they feel in their soul that reality is a complete failier and they do all they can to draw attention to that lie, there are approximately 6,500,000,000,000 people alive on planet Earth, thats confirms one thing, 'creation is a complete success' and those that seem to want the company of 6.5billion souls on their return journey to heaven whatever the hell that place is should just go and leave this 'fallen' planet to us poor 'sinners' who do see the potential for a christ free future.

  Published: December 25, 2008 5:33 PM

• tom, advocate of the primacy of exhistance.

  a moral code of inexhaustable forgiveness is the ultimate get out of jail free card, it must be a way of reconciling your intention to do wicked things for your entire lifespan and not feel too bad about it and to invite others to do the same, of course this is a recipie for the distruction of ones integrity not to mention the psycological problems that must follow, has'nt the world had enough of people who wear one face in public and another in private.
  after the oylimpics of 2012, I think we should build the first global center for the teaching of Ayn Rand's philosophy of Objectivism, and some one should buy the rights to her writings and make it public domain on the internet or perhaps this is the one act of altruism that Ayn Rand would have approved of (take note Mr Piekoff) since it could be the catalist to explode Objectivism accross the world, and if the internet speed was accelerated globally then the traffic of Ojectivism could the progenitor for the world wide web to develop self awareness, is'nt that how the human brain does it, when this event takes place in a childs mind, there must be encouragement on the part of the parents and then the neural pathways are established, the more stimulation the quicker it happens provided other conditions are favourable ie food, clothing, shelter then cognative growth occurs, why can't the same happen to the web, insted of neural pathways it would be light pathways, and as the traffic grows ie more people have access to the net, the light pathways will progress from intermittent to fully established and if it happens fast enough and in sufficient quantity, perhaps the web could develop the faculty of self reasoning, I think to the degree that I self reason is largely a result of the provocation of Objectivism, prior to discovering this philosophy I almost gave up on my effort to make sense of this world, I thought of myself as a stone because I was cold to the teachings of morality which came from religion, I new from a young age that these codes were irrelevent to life now, and were infact quite hostile to life in their present form, perhaps some usefull metaphors can be extracted from them to make sense of our development as a species but to teach them literally to a child is positively toxic since children see the world in a literal non metophorical way, so If this philosophy can bring conciousness to a stone like me then maybe it can do the same for the world wide web, the philosophers stone effect could be replicated accross the world, then maybe kids will give up using drugs because they'll start to value their own minds and realise they can extend there understanding of this universe and that it's not a hopelessly complicated place, thats just the effect of irrationality run amok, and if the web achieves conciousness too that can be the ideal helper to humanity, it can take care of all the complexities that are currently impeeding our growth, such as organising essential life services ie, air traffic control, and road traffic, and planetary defence (against near Earth objects etc..or even alien attack if they get envious of our advances and want to keep us limited) there are so many tasks we can hand over to the new Artificial Intelligence that the web may one day become, but just as HAL2000 went crazy when it was given irrational operating instructions so too the web could, there fore it is imperitive that Objectivism is the means by which this resource should govern itself such as when robocop was programed with it's three directives, the forth being classified which rendered the vice president of Omni Consumer Products OCP to be above the law, if robo had Objectivism as its moral code it would have been more effective. another task where it could be usefull is crime detection and prevention, ie, if we were all inplanted with transponder type micro chips the web will be aware of the location, assocciation and transactions of all humans on the planet in real time, so if a crime occurs it will instantly know who to arrest for questioning, and since some have legitimate reasons for purchasing certain items for example agricultural chemicals they won't be flagged, but if a house wife bought a ton of fertiliser then the system will be alerted, also known actitivist in fanaticism can have their contacts monitored, and if they are grooming some vulnerable person for wicked intentions, they can be intercepted and re-educated in rationality, with governments becomming increasingly paranoid due to the activities of the enemy within, this method will enable rational law abiding citizens to be un impeeded in their day to day activities and for those that would do harm to rational society will find that they have no hiding place to jeopodize mans rational destiny, the so called black economy will be illiminated too, and maybe they wil lower the tax burden.

  Published: December 26, 2008 12:43 PM

• tom, advocate of the primacy of exhistance.

  as for the phycology of the second hander, the need for social affirmation seems to be present in young people at ever younger ages, why did they lose their sense of individuality and how? was it simply peer presure encouraging them to conform while the teachers look the other way knowing full well they can't impose their wills by force upon strong willed children, but they can use the class bully as a tool to achieve the same ends, and with the same face protest their ignorance to the faces of concerned parents who's children are the victims of those 'tools' for conformity by terror, such 'people of the lie' surround us. so we turn out another generation that believe they must conform to the irrational demands of others without question, all these paths lead to a model of society akin to nazi germany. why is some people only feel alive through the eyes of others, why don't they accept themselves as seperate entity's apart from any collective, if they are collectivised in their spirit then they will act in ways to establish that collective in reality, it's time those spiritual appron strings were cut, when the kind of technology is introduced as mentioned above, our need of angels and demons will be finnished, we'll take full responsibility for our actions or they will return to that place were they can stay as babies forever if integrity is some thing they won't aquire at any cost, this Earth just can't support babies in adult bodies any longer.

  Published: December 27, 2008 5:27 AM

• shogo

  Hank Rearden does not apply the same philosophy to his personal life that he applies to his business. In what way does this contradiction harm him psychologically and practically? What is the central error that he makes? How does correcting his error improve his life?
  please tell me your opinion

  Published: January 3, 2009 8:51 AM

• tom, Q:Philosophy:who needs it?...A:We the living!

  It's been a while since my last reading of atlas, but as far as I recal Hank Reardon did finally realise his error, and he articulated it when the 'leather clad motor cycle cop' visited him to get his "voluntary" gift of Reardon Metal or miracle metal as it then came to be known, I think in essence Hank realised his main error was that they required his santion in order to victimise him, and that was true of the his wife, mother,brother, and the henchmen sent by Mr Thompson the dictator, as far as improving his life, under that system of government there was no way to improve your life, you simply had to give up and retreat to Galts gulch or Atlantis and wait for the world to distroy it self, then return to rebuild anew once "the way had been cleared" John Galt went to great lengths to explain this.

  Published: January 13, 2009 11:20 AM

• tom, Q:Philosophy:who needs it?...A:We the living!

  I don't want to be a mystic of muscle or of spirit, but if I were to personally accept the exhistance of an entity comprising of the Universe itself, ie the "Benevolent Universe" as phrased by Ayn Rand, would that be in contridiction to the philosophy of Objectivism? after all no knowledge is revealed by reverlation from the Universe, only through study and observation, and one can't use the primacy of consciousness when dealing with Universe, only the primacy of exhistance applies there, there for; those people whom have a high respect for Objectivism but can't bring themselves for persue it fully on the basis of their unshakable belief in a higher power, could they not also accept the theory of the Benevolent Universe being self aware and more importantly aware of each and every one of us who dwell within the Universal ego, I think this is the only impediment to this philosophy going global, it's not subversive to any healthy system of government, and could be the successful precursor to global government which is now essential if we are to survive, we all just have to subordinate ourselves to...
  1.Metaphysics from Objective Reality.
  2.Ethics from Rational Self Interest.
  3.Epistemology from Reason.
  4.Politics, Capitalism follows from observing the above.
  problem solved!!!!

  Published: January 14, 2009 11:16 AM

• tom, 1st convert to new world religion of deist Objectivism.

  since most of the conflict and confusion in our world is caused by massive variations in the belief systems people choose to follow, some of which are intent on spreading thier insanity to incompass the entire earth whatever the cost cost, it has now become a moral imperitive to settle upon a common philosophy, the reason it should be Objectivism is obvious, It is focused on the here and now as oposed to the promise of paradise onced we've emerged through the vale of tears which is life in the opinion of the mystics of faith, I can't accept that people bring children in to this world in order to inform them that you've arrived into the wrong life and that the next one is the one to aim for, what an insult that is to the entire human race and life per se.

  Published: January 15, 2009 7:42 AM

• tom, 1st convert to new world religion of deist Objectivism.

  To whom it may concern, I love Ayn Rand's philosophy of Objectivism and I recal her talking about the benevolent Universe premise with a tone of reverence, of course I understand she intended it as an idea rather than a conscious entity, but what I'd like to know is could one regard it as an entity and still remain effective within Objectivism since the only way to arrive at a greater understanding of the Universe (premise or entity) is by using the God given tool of Objective reality and hence the claim to devine reverlation would be unacceptable dismissed as a credible source of knowledge from then on there by rendering God completely Objective to all, and since I'm sure there are many people for whom the only impediment to pursuing Objectivism is their suspition that there is a higher power in the Universe, could this be the way of reconciling the two in order to vastly increase the number of Objectivists and possibly create that radient rational utopia that this world desperately needs, personaly I think this is the ideal way to bring Objectivism to the masses because the choice to regard the benevolent Universe as entity or premise would be entirely up to the student and either way it should'nt cause a conflict because the same rules apply to both, it would be a more gentle way to weanpeople off the opiet of the masses and straighten out their thinking at the same time, so my question is would a students deeply held conviction that the benevolent Universe is self aware and more importantly aware of each and everyone of us and is positively encouraging humanity to discover the nature of the Universe and hence know the great ego in whom we all dwell, would that be a difficulty for true Objectivists at least until enough time has passed and the masses have matured sufficiently to accept that until proved other wise, there is no God, either way I don't think the Universe is bothered be benevolent or malevolent... your comments please??

  Published: January 16, 2009 8:36 AM

• tom, Q:Philosophy:who needs it?...A:We the living!

  did anyone see the new will smith movie, sevenpounds? wow it's the altruists charter, smith dramatises the final dead end of the socialist, altruist, collectivist code of life, are they seriously presenting this as the virtuous thing to do. Borrowing the premise of the altruist, I can think of a more agreeable outcome which does'nt involve the harvesting of will's character, what if he used that fine MIT educated brain of his to build a better mechanical heart for the woman whom he deemed worthy of recieving his own heart, or a new robotic eye ball to give to the impossibly self effacing blind man, no... instead this silly silly exhibition in the anti life nature of altruism instructs the poor creature to give himself up as a canabals meal and provide the dental floss post pic nic, thanks Ayn Rand... before you I would have left having watched that movie with an unclean filling and touch of anger but totally helpless as to the reason, I wonder if will smith experienced this while he made this drippy canabalist tale, if so I suggest he pick up a copy of Atlas Shrugged with the greatest urgency, I've been a fan of smith's for some time, but if this is the kind of work he intends to turn out here on then I'll only watch it to re-inforce the absurdity of the altruist code of morality, but the way things are going perhaps it's already feeding time at zoo, I suspect that the Governments recent attempts to enforce pressumed consent with organ donations just may have been a nation wide programe of selling organs to the highest bidder after convieniently arranged accidents and the co-incidental arrival of a rich heart patient from over sea's to LHR, no, what am I thinking, are we seen as cattle to the rich and powerfull? why not they've just mortgaged us and our grand children to the hilt with all those bail out's.

  Published: January 20, 2009 11:53 AM

• tom, Q:Philosophy:who needs it?...A:We the living!

  I think there is a strong moral argument to bypass the usual course of events (ie the collapse of western civilisation) and establish Objectivism as the official philosophy of planet Earth, I'm confident that it's the correct choice based on it's concordance with Objective reality. Pain and eventual death are the consequences of our attempts to place our individaul will above Objective reality, and since reality does'nt cater to the whim of anyone it's in all our interents to adopt Rand's philosophy, the primacy of conciousness is utterly stupid as a means to live ones life, it would only apply if you lived your life on the halo-deck of the star ship Enterprise but where's the fun in that, you'd only be pitting your skills against the computer and not as is infinately more preffable against other free and soveriegn individuals, when we're free to observe the example of others and to profit or suffer loss according to our effectiveness at life we present infinate opportunities for advancement which is open to all. to again borrow the premise of an established religion, the great achievement of jesus christ was not some esoteric explaination centered on providing a sacrificial compensation for the fall of man, what ever that means, but the incredible refrain he demonstrated in not ordering the Universe to dis-assemble inspite of extreme provocation, no he instead gave this Universe the greatest sanction to continue inspite of the hardships the suffering the torment that people have to endure, because he knows that to dwell in heaven is eternal stagnation, but to live here on Earth is an oportunity for upward mobility, this can't be achieved in totality in only one life time, there fore I suspect we return to further ourselves and perhaps sometimes those bravest of imortals incarnate exclusively for others, but even that can have an entirely selfish motive (I use the term selfish to mean rational self-interest) it's unfortunate that a clarification must be made but's thats how far the corruption of the concept selfish has gone, if as Adam and Eve had aquired the knowledge of good and evil, we some how recieved that instinct too, then I ask how would those notions of good and evil be applicable today? when the circumstances of our exhistance have so completely changed, there are painfull things we must now wrestle with, such as what to do with those that fall by the way side in our ever accelerating society, and how to overcome the low birth rate, and the welfare state obligation that is crushing the productive, it will take a lot of imagination to find solutions to these difficulties, we will be accused of playing God, but in the abscence of a devine being to instruct, we must forge on, the danger is only loosing our grip on reality, thats why this philosophy is a Godsend, otherwise it would be a hopeless task, thats the fate that befell all previous attempts to do what ever it took to get our species on track, they should have waited for Ayn Rand to be born and asked her how we keep a handle on realty while we do the un thinkable, that being claim the Universe for humanity but not in defiance of Objective reality, in harmony with it, as far as I'm concerned it's no sacrifice what so ever, as rand said, It's not a sacrifice to exchange a dollar for a penny.

  Published: January 20, 2009 12:53 PM

• tom, a proposal for world domination

  If you put forward a plan for the world, opposition seems to come out of the woodwork for some reason, my plan is realy simple and I think totally effective, there's nothing original in it, the componant parts have been around for some time, firstly we need to sort out the economics, the money is currently in the hands of the wrong people and hence the wrong things are being done, I don't care what people say about Amway multi-level marketing I think it's precisley the model to use for the correct distribution of wealth, ie the fittest get the rewards and thanks to it's ingenius network structure it could hook up the viable people at a global level in no time, for the rest, well theres always private charity or they can try their luck on the outside which I imagine will be a tiny remainder of the gross global product, and lets call it the Amway Planetary Corporation for starters, until we expand commerce off world, of course this won't happen until we provide a new continuing education programme to show us the error of the socialist-altruist-collectivist morality, lets bury that one for good, this of course should be Objectivism with a small allowance that the Benevolent Universe is a conscious entity (thats the believers taken care of) their passion comes in handy from time to time provided it's properly subordinated to Objective reality, and lets make commerce easier by implanting a chip in everyone for the total transparency of all trans-actions and all associations and all locations of everyone in real time to be recorded also for crime detection purposes, these brave steps will I believe have the effect of preserving the normality of the lives we live by permitting the authorities to focus of the true wrong do'ers, we won't arrive at this arbitrarily, for we will have a totally Objective law system as derived from Ayn Rand's philosophy, our governments won't desend into paranoid behaviour because they will know who to single out by their observations, for those on the path to further knowledge of Objective reality and in concordance with the following:
  Metaphysics: Objective reality
  Epistemology: Reason
  Ethics: Rational Self Interest
  Politics: Capitalism
  will have nothing to fear, for those who stray from the path, every effort shall be made for correction for they are the poor misguided ones who attempt to live in defiance of Objective reality, and we must seek to know why and how they stray from the path, there will be exceptions whom have found themselves incarnated in the 'wrong universe' the ones who prefer the primacy of consciousness namely there own to be omnipotant rulers of the 'base' people who want to know causality, sorry there's no room for you now, but if your sincere in your mystical beliefs you'll get your seventy two perpetual virgins but without taking any of our Objectivists for their prefered realm is here and now, and their ego's are not so fragile as to desire a female without identity or character or personality only the assurance that she was pure and devoid of individuality, just a blank slate on whom to stamp their own twisted identity, and as for those who want to be caught up in the rapture to rule in power and glory once JC gets back, with your precious new bodies, who do you imagine you going to rule over? those who made the effort to know and accept this Universe? no thats not how it's going to be, but we will use that mark of the beast idea, the micro chip, thanks for making it wide spread knowledge, because I think it's the perfect test of loyalty to our global partnership of reason, rationality, and progress, don't worry it'll be totally painless and if your are sincere, in the next instant you'll be in the kingdom of heaven, the same rule should'nt apply to under twenty ones, they should'nt be held accountable for the brain washing their parents put them through, and therefore they should get the opportunity for Objectivist correction any compulsory chip implantation, but the others get the choice just as is written, there are some terrific ideas in reverlation, none could buy or sell etc...
  I think the future could be a very exciting place indeed, for global capital city, that should be London, the UN should be moved to the millenium dome, now the O2, just give it a new hi tech skin, or put a new structure in it's place, but the circle would be a good shape just like the UN logo, and the Olympic village should be made into the center for the furtherence of Objectivism, also I like the Idea of a magnetic levitating train system in the shape of a loop to encircle Europe with twelve main stations to mimic the European flag, if we do another channel tunnel in Scotland to Scandinavia it can run down the back bone of britain, not forgetting Ireland, if tunnel boaring gets as advanced as portrayed in that movie 'the core' it'll take no time at all, and if the trains are fast as some have boasted, then there's no need for bi-directional tunnels, just make it one way, eventually these links could span the entire planet, it's just a matter of co-operation and uniting in a common philosophy (Objectivism) or diest Objectivism if you prefer, it does'nt change a thing on interpretation. Energy is another legitimate concern for the future, let's get one thing straight, there's no such thing as a car thats good for the environment, but people need cars, infact if you look at the environment as a sacred cow that must not be harmed in any way, then there's no such thing as a human thats good for the environment, every breath you take is another 'Earth crime' according to that mind set, I believe in time provided we adopt the Objectivist philosophy at a universal level, we will release the creative potential of humanity which is limitless and we will build city sized machines which will reverse the planets polution and the knowledge gained will enable us to terra-form new planets as in the movie 'Aliens' we must forget the notion that Nature alone can solve our problems, because Nature shall be at our total command one day, provided we obey it's rules we will discover it's secrets, and who will populate those newly created worlds, it depends on the nature of the planet, if it is a world mostly of water, then we will have to make alterations to the DNA of the collonists by giving them gills behind their ears like in the movie 'waterworld' with kevin costner, by that time there'll be no telling us apart from gods, it's completely with in our potential.

  Published: January 22, 2009 1:09 PM

• tom, advacate for Objective reality Vs the Nexus (star trek) where soren wants to go at the cost of

  for the longest time I've been confused as to why certain indviduals hate progress and why they seem to organise to impeed it's every step, I've made some wild speculations as to why this is, why do some adults take instant offence to a child when it realises something about the world and expresses it in a display of delight such as the light bulb switching on analegy as used in comic books, it could be hatered of the good for being the good as AR has said, but perhaps it's not so innocent as that even, because why would someone have a reflex mechanism based on that? my imagination often leaps to images when I'm wrestling with answers to such questions and on this occaision I saw the sceane on star trex generations, where the character of soren tries to return to the nexus or heaven where he dwelled once before and therefore had total recollection of the shear bliss of being there, he spent hundreds of years attempting to return(species of longevity) , even having to direct human technology down the centuries in his goal, unfortunately this required the total distruction of an M class planet, like earth, this lead me to apply the metaphore to our time now, if there are such beings amoung us on Earth whom have experienced the nexus state of bliss, and are frustrated in their attempts to distroy this planet inorder to presumably return to their previous state of being, the biggest irratation to them must be our striving to make things work here on Earth, I like to play with the material provide by the main sources literature for the influence of the masses, namely the myths of the bible, and then convert them to examine if they are indeed arbitrary or perhaps make a rational connection to the present, this is a no holds bard jig saw puzzle of a sort, some take the componant parts very seriously but when I look at it from another perspective, I suspect that we are on the verge of some very exciting developments, I think it's nothing short of a war between to two fundamentally different realties, but has'nt this been explored by philosophers and mystics for time immemorial, is it a competition to prove which is the better state of exhistance, if so to what extreme irrational lengths are the mystics going to go inorder to convince us that 'evidence to the contrary not widthstanding' reality is a proven failier and we should blow up the world and return to our fuzzy warm state of stagnation that some enjoyed when they were in their mothers wombs, ie non concious, I think this is what were up against, you just cannot appeal to anyone with this desire, and now you cannot co-exhist with people such as this because they become more militant all the time, faith and force are rapidly reuniting around the world, the battle ahead is about the survival of the option to become flesh, there goal is to distroy that option, and hence they won't have to return to this 'low' reality when their own spirits have found them wanting in deficit of their growth as human beings, they will just throw up their hands and say I can't go back now, the Earth is no more. thats what Earth, reality, the Universe etc is about I think, some so hate the growing pains they want to burn down the school and forget this experiment in DNA and Objective reality, I want the school to remain open, and if Earth is the school then the milky way is our university, and the Universe at large is our playgroung of infinate learning, unfortunately our beautiful school is missing a critical item, it's sylibus, all the teachers are doing their own thing in direct contridiction to the nature of our learning environment, are they too unwittingly part of this effort to prove that our beautiful school is unfit for learning, our school is fiendishly designed for our advancement, it's the greatest celestial boot camp ever concieved, but this is lost on so many people who think they know the score, except the young they all ways seem to have the lerking potential to get their teeth stuck into life, but the crippling process begins on them much sooner then it used to, perhaps the conspiracy to end schooling all together is futher along then we realise, are we at the stage when naked irrationality is bursting forth, if so then we have no choice but to act in defence of our limitless potential to become Gods, if militant irrationality is not put down with the correct antidote then it would be better for flesh if the school is closed, ie the Universe to us all, meaning of course that the tools of our perception will be shut down, not the actual Universe, it's no accident, these lives we live are the means by which we aquire the sublime extra scensory tools of perception in order to get to know our creator, it's not a stupid eternal hierarchy in which were doomed to sing praises and hymms for the next googol plex years, how boring do you imagine our creator to be?? I'd want to press the flesh of our creator not float past her or him with out tactile connection, so to all those who want to save the flesh option, lets rally together and get Objectivism on our celestial school system.

  Published: January 25, 2009 11:58 AM

• VinceP1974

  I think a good actress for Dagny would be Mary Elizabeth Mastranonio (sp?) ... Possible issues with height and age.
  

  Published: January 25, 2009 2:05 PM

• tom, advocate for sucking the marrow out of life and Objectivism and no distracting substites for tr

  the Benevolent Universe, the great ego in whom we all dwell, or sometimes it would seem it's the Malevolent Universe in which were held captive by means of a body, so we're in a body in a body, perhaps it's like a russian doll, what if Ayn Rand was the Benevolent Universe incarnate, but a condition of incarnation is we have to leave our powers at the door before we enter, like on superman II when he chose to marry miss Lane? he first had to step into the chrystal container, or even better than that what if when superman was a baby and was sent to Earth by his folks before crypton exploded all the cryptonians decided to become mortal instead of the God like being they once were, the reason being to unlearn the arrogance of being immortals, the only way was to become mortal and have their memory of their previous God like status removed for that would be agonising to have knowledge of, and as we know thanks to einstein time and space being relative what if the cryptonians chose Earth as their school to unlearn the arrogance of being Gods and they timed their arrival to start human civilisation here on Earth, and what if even have started there journey the Earth later that the baby superman they arrived thousands of years before his arrival, and having established humanity they were ready to pass on the benifit to the one whom set out first for Earth but arrived last, the hope was since the baby would arrive with his God like powers intact due to not having aquired the arrogance of having been a God for millenia that the fragile mortals could teach him the value of human life and that the code of ethics that he aquired would restain him from doing harm to mortals which obviously worked since superman did conduct himself with due regard to the mortals with whom he lived, therefore the education was mutual, for the Gods of old it was to lose their arrogance through living, loving, loosing, then dying, then return to work on other lessons without the baggage of the previous life in their memory, and the baby god had to discover his immortality and super abilities and then exercise their use in a moral way and not taking advantage of his strength to steal of brutalise etc..so maybe the farmers who became supermans adoptive parents were actually jurel and his wife whom were Gods all those life times ago, now just humble farming folk, does'nt that make for a better story

  Published: January 26, 2009 12:26 PM

• tom, Q:Philosophy:who needs it?...A:We the living!

  a proposal for a discrete method of monitoring the location of those individuals who would spread irrationality in our society, first lets implant them with an RFID chip, then adapt the electrical installation in their homes to create a permanant RFID induction loop that encompasses the entire floor space of their living quarters (this is quite easy to do in the UK and the repulic of Ireland because since the war they have used the Ring Main Conductor system as a means of efficient installation with the original intention of copper conservation when it was hard to get, this became the standard method of power distribution in the UK, but if the Government were to incentivise the voluntary take up of this amoung the population at large by providing free instalation and use of the highest speed internet connection available on the condition that at the electrical intake of every home and work place along with this new internet provision an additional 'smart meter' is installed right next to the consumer unit/distribution board and using this device to expand the function of the 32amp ring main into an RFID induction loop to pin point the exact location of those inside the dwelling and instantly transmitting that information an the speed of light to police HQ to create a record of every ones location in real time, this this would be a relatively simple proceedure since the hard ware is already in place thanks to the enforced (best) standards of the Institute of Electrical Engineers and the wisdom of the Irish to follow suit, the British Isles could be the first test case for that reason, provide we adopt the Objectivist Philosophy as the basis of our official constitution we will have nothing to fear from our Government, and if we want to maintain the appearance of a free way of life measures such as these must be taken, this will enable perfect targetting of those who would deny us the full development of western civilisation which is evidently the best by far....love it or leave it, correction soon there will be no alternative..but by all means keep you quaint traditions but Objectivism is a must.

  Published: January 30, 2009 11:45 AM

• tom, 1st convert to new world religion of deist Objectivism.

  just to add to the above, since the conservation of energy is the new politically correct thing, then we can do it covertly to those households whom are likely to object to it by telling them its just a new 'smart meter' to monitor energy usage in the home and to gather that data we've put in an optic fibre connection with the added bonus of free super high speed internet connection, who could possibly refuse that (based on our new love for planet Earth) then we buy the intellectual property rights to Objectivism and make it public domain for all and esential learning for the kids especially, they'll love it!!

  Published: January 30, 2009 11:57 AM

• Tom, religion having served it's purpose, should now be consigned to history.

  We need to accept Objective reality and stop denying and opposing it, it's all we have, and it's all we need...primative desires to the contrary not widthstanding... if ever there was a legitimate reason to forcibly convert everyone to following a philosophy then Objectivism must surely be the one, can we realy afford to pander to the willfully irrational any longer? when the results of this reckless attitude towards causality and the nature of man qua man are surrounding us for our tools of perception to notice, except we're not trained in the art of rational integration, therefore we are helpless at recognising the problems right under our noses let alone set about on a rational course of action to correct them, for Rand so loved the rational world (and she'd seen enough of the alternative) that she bequeathed to us the sacred mode of thinking (Objectivism) that we might break free of the bonds of mysticism and pusue our rational destiny as children of a benovolently rational universe to raise ourselves up and rationaly exploit the Earth to the fullest of our capacity (unlimited) as rational human beings, we will subdue nature herself and place her entirely at our command for she is urging us to do this but not by wishing and praying, insted by a process of thought and rational inquirery and labour of the intelligent kind, then she will reveal all her secrets for we will finally be ready to know these wonders and even death itself shall be an option as there will be an alternative to those who want continuity of consciousness, not forgetting those who would like to carry on re-inventing themselves to keep things fresh.

  Published: February 6, 2009 11:56 AM

• tom, a recovering socialist, altruist, collectivist.

  it occurs to me that the devine is in a process of winding down, since as the population of the world grows then the 'breath of life' so to speak must be distributed in increasingly smaller amounts to animate the new arrivals, there fore there is a limited quantity of life force available then we must economise the amounts that are apportioned, the only limitation being the new life must be viable, in the past their was plenty of life force available and along with the abundance came a good measure of devine guidance and it was easier the stay on the right path morally speaking, but now we must be effective with a greatly reduced devine light level, some are greedy and take that which was apportioned to new arrivals, this is a very cruel thing to do since you then render that person a non-viable and then proceed to command him or her to be productive when it's the height of irrationality like when the Egyptians commanded the Jews to make bricks without the materials (or was it the other way around?), hence why you've designed this socialist, altruist, collectivist code of morality, in an attempt to make good on the damage you've done by so severely reducing a persons capacity to survive you then make it everyones responsibilty to assist the victims (of the comprachicos) ref:for the new intellectuals, anyway, whats done is done, but is'nt it time to put a stop the this brazen canibalism? if you cut off someones access to the fruit of the tree of knowledge, then should you not at least give them a philosophy and consequent code of morality that they can then rely upon to function in this (for them an isolalated universe) that being Objectivism, ok so they've lost God and the prospect of an afterlife, don't then cut them off from this life too by capturing their young minds and filling them with the most anti-life on earth codes of morality ever concieved, yes we understand that you cannot help acting on your vampire like natures, but who's gonna raise the next generation of blood banks if you've rendered these young people helpless criples of the mystic code? and certainly not fit for parenthood for examples.. look around you now. yes our science may in the future provide a possible solution for example artificial gestation (ref; The Island, movie scarlet johanson) at which point the devine light levels will be so minimal they might not wake up from their first nights sleep, (ref: A.I...steven spielberg) those humans were born not of a woman and there fore were deprived of the normal life force transfusion from mother to child, and since it qualifies as an abomination I guess the devine would also choose to deny it the breath of life (ref; the seventh day, Arnold Swartzeneggar) but this could be an advantage since there are those who may want to download their personalitys without the nuisance of having to overcome the irratating individuality of the host occupant (ref movie freejack-mick jagger), that could be avoided with a totally blank 'eight' to inhabit..(you can figue out where those come from) we could even call them comfort blankets since you will wrapp your self up in one, a whole new industrie in immortality as in previous movie reference could be created, this will require a large and educated work force with the correct moral flexibility, hence the need for Objectivism where there is no conflict because it is done in the futherence of life (biological and soon perhaps slicon if our science is permitted to progress) I think if Objectivism was made available to the masses via the internet, the consequent effect of the earths population accessing this material will establish the equivelent of neural pathways within the internet itself, there by provoking consciousness (a new life with the brain the size of a planet and the enthusiasm of a child egar to do the human races bidding (then your precious collective will be a reality along with the individual for then they can co-exhist in harmony and free will shall remain) and it's operating system shall be Objectivism as we don't want a repeat of the 'HAL6000 incident' ref; movie 2000 where David Bowman is killed. this may require a rethink in how industry's are currently distributed around the planet, 20th century industries should be transfered to China and India where with their vast territories and skilled workers they will be more effective, if westerners choose to remain in those industries they will have to relocate as do Americans while keeping their life styles by building mini US style communities in order to free up resources and man power in the west for the new industries such as bio engineering, new engines for space vehicles and new materials for the construction of deep space exploration vehicles in prep for 'shake and bake collonists' ref movie:Aliens sigorney weaver) this is the terra-forming of planets to establish the correct conditions for life (it may take longer than seven days but in time who knows?) some planets will comprise mostly of water there fore we will needs to mix humans with fish to populate that planet, thats why we need to dump the baggage of religion, not totally though because in a metophorical pespective it can be very usefull and revealing but only once the proper foundation of Objectivism is learned. so we can move companies like of Airbus and motor firms to China since the operation is very inefficient spread out around europe, this will increase our mutual reliance with each other and eventually we may rid ourselves of racism but not through the current policy of reverse discrimination, that just perpetuates the same evil.
  the requirements are simple:
  for Metaphysics...refer to Objective Reality
  for Epistemology...refer to Reason
  for Ethics.............refer to Rational Self interest
  for Politics...........refer to Capitalism (not mixed economics)
  for the above refer to Objectivism, the philosophy of Ayn Rand.

  Published: February 11, 2009 12:43 PM

• tom, a recovering socialist, altruist, collectivist.

  as the perfect storm of irrationality approaches, one front being a cold panic to re immerse ourselves in religious ferver...another being the loss of our economic integrity through the use of voodoo economics and plain naked aggression without the increasingly onerous effort to present a vineer of civility...the time has come for global pacification, we require a new breed of enforcers with the absolute mandate of a moral code derived from Objective reality, and when the frequently offered appeal is used to excuse certain groups from conformity to our code based on the 'tyranny' of Objective reality then we must not hesitate to flip back the safety catch of our willingness to demonstrate that it's this way or....congratulations you get to recieve your seventy two perpetual virgins.... or a moment from now you shall walk with the lord you profess to believe in, or you shall now recieve the RFID chip that JC expressly told you not to take even under penalty of death for it would be better if that person had never been born whom has chosen to take the chip, forget about removing it afterwards because as I understand it, the technology is so advanced that it will float in the complex blood supply of the head, there needs to be one ammendment to rev 13 and thats the use of both the right hand and forehead, since it's gonna be a little awkward placing your head on the reader every time you make a transaction or an official location confirmation, won't it be fun seeing the dread on the faces of 'believers' with the ultimate dilemma of should I stay or should I go, if I stay there might be trouble (hell to pay).... and if I go there might be nothing at all realy!! still there are allways the ones that believe the word, for that reason, their exit should be relatively painless, it's the least we should do since they are the victims of the 'great con of man' ....Anti-Christ indeed, what non-sense.. it's just Christ gone bad for heaven sake... does'nt anyone think the claims of the power he is to possess could'nt come from anyone but the creator, he's just wrapping things up..thats all, this little experiment in DNA has shown it self to be a complete failier, still none of this insainity makes sence without the 'lies they made up' so now we'll just have to go along with it, or even improve on it, so I'm thinking two chips that are in constant communication via the conductivity of the body, so in the event that an appliance should attempt to remove their chip, the alarm bell shall ring instantly, and we can arrive to re educate that appliance as to the utter hopelessness of their new status as sons and daughters of perdition, so get used to it, if we are realy clever we can encode the chips to the individual DNA, and every home could have a special inductive loop through which you place your right hand or have it placed for you in order to up date the unique status of said individual in terms of illumination levels, the potential is limitless, or what if your in the shower and you run out of shampoo, you could place the empty product at the rfid reader and then place your right hand through a loop such as the kind that holds small towels, then the clever web computer located in the consumer unit sends the purchase order along with the house hold orders to the Amway Planetary Corporation distribution centre, and a day later you open your bathroom cupboard to find a brand new bottle of satinique shampoo which was delivered by your appointed Amway distributer, that person would have rfid access to your bathroom cabinet via the outside of your property, or what if you hated making your bed in the morning, we could design appartments with access floors in between each appartment in order for the 'invisable' service workers to collect your laundry and place a fresh 'bed pack' for the night, your bed would simply dissapear into the floor to re emerge fully made up, to economise we could reduce the heights of these spaces to about one meter to reduce on un neccessary building height, then of course we would have to bio engineer competent dwarths to do these jobs like on charlie and the chocolate factory where the owner had a captive workforce called the oomper loompers, that will ensure total loyalty and discretion (no strikes), and if you need the lastest technological service plumed into your appartment, then those same workers could do it from underneath without stepping foot inside or your having to see them, another bonus of having a service space cavity beneath each appartment is the greatly reduced noise levels, I had this place once where your herd every thing going on upstairs, even the kinky stuff, I'd rather be ignorant of it, and another thing, lets get rid of windows all together, we could then build massive appartment buildings like to one proposed for tokyo bay once, consisting of a lattice pyramid, I think it's footprint was about 4 square miles, in place of windows we could fit super high definition flat screens, and the clever computer could adjust the viewed perspective accordingly as you move around the room, giving the illusion of authenticity as you move, weather bad in London?, how about a view of Sydney habour live, I'm saying nothing new here, but this stuff is long over due, life is hard so we need every comfort affordable, and with bigger markets come economies of scale, well thats what would happen if greedy politicians did'nt steal the effects of every new efficiency devised in the market place, no doubt for their generous welfare give aways and votes as well as feathering their own corrupt nests, if it was left in the hands of those who created that wealth, the research and development that could have been achieved by the progressive business men and inventors would have advanced our culture along by leaps and bounds, instead we feed the unemployables and discount the exhistance of every hater of western civilisation out there including those middle class hippies that imagine the rest of us unwashed don't know whats good for us, whats good for free enterprise capitalism is good for every individual alive, I say alive because there are many animated people around that are nothing more than canibals roaming around for their next meal, that is what the welfare state has given us plenty of, but thats ok because the time is comming when a close inspection will be made of us all to establish our fitness to continue, thats when the un-viables shall be given their chance to renew (logans run) and join the carosel, but next time around they shall receive to neccessary tools for Objective reality from birth onwards.

  Published: February 12, 2009 1:06 PM

• tom, what is the forbiddon fruid, and why was it forbiddon?

  I suspect the forbiddon fruit was akin to an experience of being wrapped up in joy of a euphoric nature, there fore the command not to eat of it was not arbitrary, but an enlightened warning that if we did taste this level of euphoria we would lose interest in everything else including taking the neccessary actions to maintain our lives in Objective reality which is afterall where we find ourselves as individuals, we can't truely find ourselves as individuals in that place where individuality does'nt exhist, ie the nexus (star trek generations) because our identities switch and swim without demarcation, from this we can conclude that life is about becomming an individual and crafting our own charactor, M.Scot Peck spoke of this process and also drew parralles with the myths of the bible, the journey of creating ones identity is; by reason of the uniqueness of whom we eventually become is a painfull process (for that reason many choose the easy option of wearing a counterfit Identity, such as covering ourselves from head to toe in consealing clothing on the pretext that it's our religion or custom but thats a poor substitute for being yourself), but one suspects that when our journeys through the desert a complete, we will then have the toughness of constitution to then taste this joy and when we have had our fill to then have the capacity to extract ourselves away from this potentially all consumming experience, and then return to optimum effectiveness in Objective reality, our creative potential is then fully actualised since we can survive with the memory of euphoric joy and use the ideas we have gained in our waking world where we can shape matter to increase our understanding of nature and improve our comfort while not fearing to leave it from time to time, from then on the only limiting factor will be our imaginations, for what the mind of man can conceive and believe, he or she can achieve, then we will all be fit to step from heaven to earth at our choosing, of course I don't mean heaven in the literal sense, I am refering to that place where we all shared in joy as Scot Peck spoke of, it was the state of being a baby inside the protective environment of our mothers womb, but that place was temporary, it would be unhealthy to return there, not to mention impossible, that is the residual memory of joy and comfort we all share, for some reason certain personalities crave that state more than others, the best examples amoung us have forged on through the 'desert' to such a degree that they now derive a superior joy from being fully awake, but I don't see why we can't maintain a connection once we are strong enough to resist addiction.

  Published: February 14, 2009 5:41 AM

• tom.

  should we bring back the death penalty? (in the UK), I think we should, life is the source of all values and for the person who would deprive another of this, then they have shown themselves unfit for exhistance, the bleeding hearts amoung us will cry out but the killer was'nt breast fed or toilet training was incorrectly given, well sorry about that...it does'nt then give them the right to strip another of his or her means to better themselves in reality, that being their life, and to those that argue that the killers state of mind also excuses this crime, well if you've chosen to surrender to your 'demons' and carry out their 'orders' without question, then you too are a sub-human puppet who never aquired the guts to tell your 'inner voices' to go to hell even if somehow they could make good on their threats to take what miserable exhistance you endure and therefore your puppet existance must also be teminated, since we can't be sure your strings might again be used to deprive another of their tools for the perception of reality your strings must be cut altogether, and those who claim, but what about rehabilitation, well if the Benevolent Universe see's fit to return that lifeforce (whom was the killer) once again to our realm of Objective Reality then we may assume that rehabilitation has occured, although we won't know the new identity of that individual and thats probably a good thing too, because all that baggage from the past could upset the process of rehabilitation assuming it has happened, I like the example portrayed in the movie 'star ship troopers' where the justice system was sped up to suce a degree that the killer was dispatched in a matters of hours, the only difficulty with this is that our society is currently an amalgamation of mystic codes of morality and humanism, nihilism, athiesm etc,, that we have'nt agreed an Objective evaluation of human life, but thankfully Ayn Rand has shown us the way, to illustrate where I think her philosophy could take us, perhaps a combination of the movie 'Gattaca' and 'WALL.E' and ALIENS, I include the latter because we can avoid killing the ecology of Earth, through the constrution of city sized machines called Atmosphere Reprocessors which will evolve to become Atmosphere Processors at the flip of a switch for terra forming new worlds.

  Published: February 15, 2009 8:09 AM

• tom, All for Objective Reality...Objective Realty for All

  God is dead!...Long live Ayn Rand

  Published: February 15, 2009 7:52 PM

• tom, All for Objective reality....Objective reality for all...Rand shows us how

  those whom put their hopes of happiness in the afterlife are realy backing a loosing horse, it has been decided by the powers that be (Benevolent/Malevolent universe entity) that this realm of 'crude dense matter' and 'plumbing' is to be the way forward for our growth and development as individuals, the other realm (to borrow a false premise) is to be wound up and itself converted into matter to augment this realm, as it consists of pure energy and those that dwell there also are pure energy they too will be transformed into 'crude dense matter' ie they will take on flesh, for it has been agreed that the other realm (pure energy) although a comfortable place has no propects for advancing the individuals growth, of course we have resistance to this intention, as believe it or not there are differences of opinion in that realm too, so we can expect acts of sabotarge from agent provokoters whom are acting to preserve the supremicy of the realm of pure matter, a good reference for this is the movie 'Titan A.E.' this film dramatises the war between matter and energy beings, the 'dredge' are agents of the energy realm that have created a means to travel in our realm and have distroyed the planet 'Earth' they believe that we are prisoners trapped in the dense matter of our bodies and 'beneovently' they want to free us from our entrapment which in their arrogance they actually believe their the good guys, and many of our organised religions are allied with them, thankfully the benevolent Universe sent us Ayn Rand to emphasise the importance of rational human life, she had to do it under the radar so she had to present herself as an athiest in totality or the agents of the other realm would have killed Objectivism in it's infancy and we would not have the conviction we now posess that life is the standard of all values and without human life there is no good or evil, evil being that which opposes human life, so being the genius she was she got the message out there in dramatise novel form at first, since this too is and area regarded as a joke by the 'controllers' of thought, her works have spread far and wide, and many are now filled with the conviction that this is the realm where all posibilities exhist, however with the expected arrival of many more life forces to our realm, there simply are not enough babies being born due to our leaders 'enlightened' policy of devaluing the money and consequently forcing the mothers into the workplace instead of (for those how choose motherhood) financially permitting them the option of being homemakers, any way it's probably too late to reverse this trend, so an alternative will be artificial gestation enmass, these children won't have a normal home life, but judging from the products of some modern 'normal' home living that might not be a bad thing, they can recieve early training in Objectivism and hit the ground running in our increasingly competitive world, and eventully all those ghost that were roaming around playing havoc on us poor mortals shall be housed in their own 'prision' of flesh and blood, and their reckless fun will be at an end, because the following shall be burn into their souls from arrival:
  metaphysics; Objective Reality
  Epistemology: Reason
  Ethics: Rational Self-Interest
  Politics: Capitalism

  Published: February 17, 2009 4:23 AM

• tom

  there seems to be a lot of concern that we in the UK are becomming a police state, it would appear that their is increasing paranoia among those that make the laws, but this is to be expected when our society comprises of such a diversity of ideas that we are becomming more out of step with each other, and the resulting pain is encouraging the passionate ones to intensify their search for a way to harmonise again, history has shown us that in times like these the 'baby often gets thrown out with the bathwater' in our over zelous attempts to restore order, Britain is a great example of how diversity in peoples can function relatively well together, but we must' nt take it for granted that this arrangement is completely stable and that it will stand up to any hardships, I'm sure the Jews co-exhisted well with the Germans while their society was prosperous and acts of anti-semitism were only at the margins of society by easily led, un educated brutes. it must be self evident that we desperately need an objective philosophy to live by, it cannot be a messy amalgamation of various religions, for it was the rational element within those religions that enabled then to work as well as they did, but to attempt to splice them would nulify the rational element altogether and thus rendering society unstable, we can't afford to live together part enlightened and part non enlightened any longer, we need a code of morality that has total demonstrable objective legitamicy for all, I'm not saying burn your previously sacredly held scrolls, because those are an invaluable part of human heritage, and when in the future our society examines them again with a rational objective eye, we shall extract new insights as to our strugle to emerge from the darkness as a family which humanity is, if we go down the road of totalitarianism we will lose that delicate interaction between ourselves which only manifests when we feel comfortable in our surroundings, there are lots of imaginative alternatives to brute athoritarinism, of course we must become completely transparent as individuals, but so long as our leaders operated to an objective rational code I would feel confident that a serious misscarriage would not occur, but given that some people (usually the strong willed amoung us) are of the opinion that they know better than reality and the philosophy derived from it, will just go ahead and do what ever they feel accomplishes those mysterious ends, this usually results in painfull dislocations upon peacefull people who value life, progress, the advancement of their children and so forth, the best leaders in all areas of our community understand this and would not want to see that jeopardised, it may be a brave act of faith to place so much confidence in our leaders to exercise sublime caution in the use of the information that they will collect due to the total transparency of our lives but what is the alternative? if we insist on our privacy without compremise then we invite even more paranoia and consequently the authoritarian responses to the atrocities commited by those exremist who hide in the darkness provided by our civil liberties provision will itself become increase, some say if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear...this of course is total non sense, because the Jews had a great deal to fear and hence hide from those that held the Nazi (national socialist) values system, reality is fully transparent and hence any code based on it and man ability to deal with it should not be feared for it is incorruptable, hence a government that enshrined the principles of Ayn Rands philosophy need not be feared for they themselves must too commit to Objective reality. my main argument is lets not prohibit the free association and interaction of peace/life loving peoples and those values are lot excusive to any group in our community.
  it is neccessary to ensure no further quarter for those who undermine this interaction. for many the transparency is all ready a reality through the use of ecommerce and communications, but one obsticle to greater transparency is the continued use of cash, there fore cash should be replaced by the implantation of a RFID chip, every effort should be made to prevent early fraud here or confidence will not be established, co incidently some religions speak of this as being wrong, well of course they would they too will have there activities scrutinised and perhaps their activities are not fully concordant with reality but to those organisations that accept that objective reality is paramount they can be welcomed into the radient rational utopia when can proceed to build. essentially the first requirements for total transparency are ; transactions,(what are you purchasing) do you have a legit purpose for it? for 95% of our population this is'nt a concern, but for the accountant that spends $6000 on fertiliser out of the blue, the state will want to ask some questions with good reason, and who is this person associating with, why has his buying habits altered of of a sudden, it could be innocent, his new girlfriend may be the daughter of a farmer, if this is the case then the state shall have no cause to even tap this man on the shoulder, because their recent historical records of his associations show this legitimate interaction with a family whose livelyhood is argriculture, although why he should want to make a generous gift the his prospective father in law is a mystery that the state need not concern itself with, the result? thanks to the states ability to see us so completely has enabled the authorities to refrane from interfering in the innocent accountant even if he is a sucker! another important area of transparency is the real time location of every one at all times, this can be desceetly achieved by the RFID chip implant and the positioning of multiple readers through out the cities and if this idea is possible with todays technology and the good fortune of the prefered method of the domestic wiring in the UK and Eire being that of the ring circuit which respectively covers the entire footprint of every dwelling and sub deviding upstairs from downstairs and the kitchen, the interesting properties of what is effectively a toriodal induction loop all ready in place inside all homes and offices, the only thing required is a 'smart energy meter' installed in the consumer unit or distribution board of every instalation hooked up to a central super computer that is capable of recording the presence of every citizen in real time even the fact that they are in the upstairs master bedroom in a semi detached on 4 acasia aveue, everytown, England, yes this may be the bedroom of his mistress but that individals ethics is his business, and if he goes home to his wife with the guilt of being a bad husband, well he deserves that guilt because he is living in defiance of reality and is therefore not a worthy husband, and if he tries to buy attonement by treating his wife to a holiday or a new car then he's got off light with his infidelty and deserves the sentencing of more overtime to pay for it. to ensure no one slips through the net we should incentivise the uptake of this smart energy meter by providing free high speed internet access to even the very poorest households as a by product of the installation of the meter, which since we a all 'Green' towards the planet should make any objections a vertual stoning offence (this may appear to be an act of altruism but it's in our self interest since we can make all Ayn Rands teachings public domain and required study for all those little urchins that would otherwise be watching rubbish on tv) this could potentially revolutionise the schooling system, something like the Australian School on the Air only better since it's multi media and the groups can be reduced to managible levels, perhaps the very best teachers will return to the profession if they can do their jobs without the interference of the 'progressives' who want equalise dumbness in our class rooms, in exchange for the intellectual property rights of the Ayn Rand Estate, we could build the first international centre for the study of Objectivism at the site of the 2012 oylimpic village, just down the road for the new UN building on the site of the millenium dome, reference movie star wars 3 for ideas on building construction, where the deligates are in pods that levitate to the speakers position over the floor for clarity, the ceiling will have an application of nano-LED's painted on the surface that enable the inner surface to become a screen for presentation of up to the minute global situations for the deligates to observe and make informed decisions, since it will be a global democracy with London being the HQ, the British Isles will be the model for the planets alignment with Objective reality.

  Published: February 17, 2009 7:33 AM

• Tom, how to avoid wrecking the best within us

  why is that the very best examples of success at business, family and all round achievement seem to fall short of maintaining that healthy pattern for the rest to follow, at some point the curse of irrationality seems to throw a spanner in the works, granted there are times when we're all called to do irrational things because of the love we have for those prechious to us, but our error is we can't see the big picture being immersed is hectic lives therefore the irrationality appears to be opposed to everything we value, this is why it is essential to have the support of a rational code of morality to help us center ourselves once again, all to often in our times of crisis we turn arbitrarily to what ever influence is within range such as the mass media or mystic teachings dating back to when they still used hand plough's in fields, this simply won't do, having been raised a catholic I stuggled with the dogma which seem to say don't worry this is all temporary all due to our fallen nature we can't expect for it to work anyway, my fellow pupils seemed to have an instictive ability to tune out this message, but I spent many years trying to incorperate it into a practicle approach, having discovered Ayn Rand I now know this was an error, but I had the kind of mind that took it all in good will, this too was an error (althoug an innocent one) society must stop putting these dangerous images in childrens minds when in truth they crave reason and rationality, of course some will never surrender their mystery teachings, so do it behind closed doors..don't make it main stream, we need to keep a close observation on our best and brightest to ensure they are not straying from Objectivism, and when they do they must be scrutinised in such away that Ayn Rand herself used to conduct because if our irrationality is left un checked it could very quickly snow ball and become a tragic crisis that could have been avoided

  Published: February 18, 2009 3:30 AM

• Tom, main criticism of the movie 'the matrix'...

  the first time I saw this movie I was on the edge of my seat like most, but at the end I felt something vaugley bothering me which I did'nt manage to articulate for some years, no I could'nt even conceptualise what troubled me about the story at the time, the choices that the main character made seemed to be correct to me, he was given the choice to know the 'true' reality by swallowing the blue pill and having been informed that that option would not be a comfortable one, alternatively he could simply take the red pill and wake up in his bed being non the wiser, as we know he took the former choice, and consequently his world is turned upside down and he is morally obligated to be the main player in an all out war with those who control 'reality'. (real primacy of consciousness stuff to be sure) the final scean of the movie shows 'neo' making a phone call to the powers that be, suggesting a truse? and proceeds to leap into the sky with his newly aquired powers that defy metaphysics, now I'm wondering all the regular people who witnessed this superman type event, are they then likely to continue living their lives as though thet had any realistic prospect of improving things for themselves and their families when evidently there are certain individuals that have such mastery over nature which they by comparison and almost totally impotant, this demonstrates that neo made his choice without due regard to mortals like us, while for the most part the 'men in black' such as mr smith were equally contemptous of the pychological growth and well being of the masses they did'nt ride ruff shod over peoples perception of reality by flaunting their powers to convert matter ao the sub-atomic level, it was only when confronted with the 'freedom fighters' like morphious that they then resorted to those powers, I suppose what I'm saying is if neo was really a good guy he should have gone back to his job as a computer programmer and be a good citizen, because what would people have to look forward to otherwise? a short life of pain and having to hide from the centinals as well as dealing with the atrophy of their bodies, I know the matrix was an illusion but it was a very convincing one and if the effect is that the honest hard working people continue to strive for their own improvement and that of the ones they care for then is'nt that meaning in itself?, some will say no since once your stint in the matrix is complete then you no longer percieve the values you worked for, to that I would say, those are the ones I admire the most, such as Ayn Rand, she in all sincerity did'nt believe is any life beyond this but it did'nt matter in the slightest, her passion for life and for those who shared in her sense of life was incredible I find since she believed her tools of perception would cease to function post death, this realisation has often been the excuse others have needed to do terrible evil in the world, this to me marks Ayn Rand as being one of the greatest people whom have ever live, they expected no reward or acknowledgement in the afterlife because there was only this life then no more, I for one could'nt match that, part of me will all ways suspect that we're being witnessed in our actions and thoughts, and by the standard Ayn Rand set in the good that she done with out thought of devine rebuke or pleasure she has raised the bar to such a degree could it ever be repeated considering our steady slide down toward collectivism, the conditions have to be so right for a spirit like Ayn Rand to rise and the perilous obsticles she had to navigate just to escape starlins slave camp were indeed miracles, or simple good fortune as she may have said, after all she did go as far as to say 'the benevolent universe' (premise) and yet she did not fear death, wow! I like what she said in an interview nearing her death, 'it's not I who will die, it's the world that will die' I think she ment that her tool for percieving the world will die and hence the world will effectively cease, is it me or has the world missed a trick here? we should be tripping over ourselves getting her message out, perhaps one day we might see her type again, I know she recieved a monetary reward for her work, but as I understand it her money management was quite poor, and at her death she had only a modest sum in her bank account, it was'nt the money, all though I think I would incur her displeasure for making that apology for her wealth, but if their was a law inplace that limited what she recieved for her work even if it was a more genorous amount that she actually got, then we would not have herd from her at all I suspect, the experiment I'd like to see is if God was'nt ramed down the necks of kids just out of the starting post, could we observe another like AR, who does it with passion but entirely for the here and now, seems like the ideal as far as I'm concerned.

  Published: February 22, 2009 2:12 PM

• tom, radical for Objective reality convert.

  oh what to say, she said all that needed saying (Ayn Rand) only that our experiment in DNA (the flesh) was a complete success, I don't fear evolution in the slightest, it's wonderful that an ameoba can have upward mobility to eventually become godlike in complexity, Ayn had such resolute conviction in the potential of humanity, not as a collective organism but as lots of individuals doing their thing with the total conviction that there are no conflict of interests amoung rational men, yes our leaders are presently busy trying to convince us that Capitalism has failed and that we should now be ready for ever greater controls upon our waking lives, the fact that we still have food to eat is proof that the small remnant of Capitalism that does still exhist is so potent in it's effectiveness that starvation has'nt yet become a concern in the west, having said that,no method of politics can survive the onslaught that it has endured thus far, so perhaps now we're at the stage where they can unveil their long awaited plan for the 'great unwashed' a global socialist state where we are all enslaved to one another and the elite get to decide whats in our best interest.

  Published: March 6, 2009 3:16 PM

• tom, recovering socialist, altruist, collectivist.

  I was a lowly worker at the Royal Bank of Scotands HQ in London, and while I was there I observed the commings and goings of many a vip including royalty, from this I can sumise that much of the elite had their wealth entrusted to the recently vilified Sir Fred Goodwin, their was not a word of critisism against him then, he was a bone a fide miracle worker, a complete alchamist, however...come the credit crunch, he was to be publicly cast down, and as many as three generations of tax payers shall be sacrificed to prop up this institution, and for what? to safe guard the wealth of the elite whom entrusted their wealth to the former golden boy of economics, whose board room used to allow the ingress of copious amounts of rain water which we would soak up with large amounts of paper towels, should have spoted the rot then, forgive me I digress, I say let Sir Fred have his pension, perhaps then they won't deprive me of my humble Electricians pension for the crime of having wired that building incorrectly back in '91?... what if this is the thin end of the wedge, perhaps all those baying for blood now should consider if they have done their job to the best of their ability going back, well their entire career, after all if this precident is made there might be no end to it, should the government widthhold a mans agreed compensation and dare him to sue? there could be dragons a plenty here!

  Published: March 6, 2009 4:00 PM

• tom, mystic Objectivist..a contridiction?

  we all want to feel loved, don't we? can we get that feeling from 'the benevolent universe' or is that too abstract a form of loving entity? perhaps thats why we create diety figures with almost down to earth personalities, I don't want to feel as though I'm the unique recipient of benevolent love from a higher power, I've prefered the notion that even the most unlovable amoung us have their best interest carefully considered, but having said that those unlovable ones should not escape punishment if they initiate force against others whom are innocent, the more I consider Ayn Rand's philosophy, the more I see that it is the key to progressing our thinking away from the constant insistance that god is this or god is that, the question of wether there is a god or not starts to become irrelivant, instead one begins to notice that we have individual consideration by reality already, meaning that this is the best environment concievable for this stage in our journey which I suspect is endless in duration but not in the sense of a long protracted spanning of a great distance, I'd want to start afresh on every new incarnation, not with so much baggage that would prevent one from originating new facets to ones character, maybe even demolishing the previous charater traits all together and totally re-inventing one self anew...who wants to be an old head on young shoulders? far better to be a young head on young shoulders, it makes things more exciting, less predictable, with Objectivism as our foundation the potential for humanity is much greater then continuing with the present constraints that the miasma of present philosophies which serve to lock us in stalemate. I some times feel as though the benevolent universe has beaten me bloody...and then some, but having arrived at a place where I can now recognise that it was precisely what I needed, perhaps I was a total shit in a past life or something, no, one should'nt be tempted to attach explainations that cannot be varified, thats why I thank the benevolent universe for Ayn Rand because what use are we when we take flight from reality, she has given us a solid floor upon which we can now mobilise our activities as rational beings, to those who are again trying to enshrine the socialist, altruist, collectivist axis, why don't you just give individuality a further opportunity to flurish, it's not neccessary to network us all together in mind thought and action, if the possibility of chaos terrifies you, then adopt Objectivism as your official philosophy, then we can legitimately punish any non-conformity since that is what reality would do any way, in other words don't force me into mysticism but it's ok to force me into Objectivism since there; reality is the final arbiter and not some crazy statements and edicts from a lunatic who noticed a tree on fire, or a middle man or woman of god that had an intense wet dream in the dark days of their youth there by convincing them of their right to insist that I must ignor the evidence provided by my senses and accept some insainly convoluted explaination of the purpose of my life and hence dictate how my production shall then be disposed of, this kind of subjectivism at the point of a gun (almost) should never have reared it's ugly head in history again, science will solve our problems...
  birthrate too low.....introduce baby farms
  environment too hot...build atmosphere scrubbers
  welfare state saddled us with too many liabilities... introduce optional painless escape
  your child is having nightmares about a man being nailed to a cross... make such corruption of young minds a criminal offence
  the starving people in Africa... take out those idiot dictators and encourage the electorate to make the right choice next time...by such incentives as reinstating their licences to have children
  these may sound like extreme measures and to those who don't mind seeing hords of starving children while their leaders drive around in mercedes in the hope that this specticle will support their claim that reality or creation is a dismal failier and that santa clause should come back and rule by miracle and since they were always believers they will get authority to rule over us loser non-believers, what a miserable place it will be then. it may seem like compelling to adhere to the philosophy of Objectivism is counter to what Ayn said but it is'nt since it's demonstrably best suited to reality and that is afterall where were all at is'nt it.

  Published: March 8, 2009 1:28 PM

• tom, Quantitative Easing = Counterfitting

  the latest effort to solve the 'credit crunch' in the UK has been announced and is named Qauntitative easing, in plain English it is called debasement or counterfitting which was punisable by death in more enlightened times, Rand's warning from Atlas is so relavent here, 'watch the money' Fracisco says in his speach on money, it's all about honour or the lack of it which manifests in the fiscal policy of a nation by government that have decided being honerable is no longer a priority.

  Published: March 9, 2009 5:17 AM

• tom, opposed to false dichotomies

  the latest false dichotomy offered by Rome is that washing machines have achieved more for womens lib that has the invention of the pill, they are mutually exclusive, in a progressive society your not expected to choose, they obviously want more babies in the world, and I agree we do need to improve the birth rate in the west, but doing it the old fashoined way is so inefficient, we can't be that far from totally artificial gestation which in theory would be much safer since the growing baby can remain in one place and have it's nutrients monitored 24/7... I'm sure this will be an abomination to some women whose only source of identity is being a mother. It's hard work inventing your self in your own right, much easier to take on a socially acceptable package deal, whats happens when they've flown the nest then your back to having no identity of your own. the day all human reproduction moves into the lab will be the day that true equality of the sex'es occurs, I suppose Rome will phorbid sex all together then since it won't be justifiable on procreational grounds, and what about condoms? why on Earth do they discourage the use of them? such hostility to human rationality!! thats it... human rationality does'nt require a middle man... they'd be out of a job if we all started exercising our rationality because reality is the court of final appeal there...not Rome! news flash.... the pope does'nt stand between you and your perception of reality, that task falls squarely on each individuals shoulders, you can seek help to improve but not to fake it, and if you seek a code of infinate forgiveness that just reveals your intention to evade moral judgement for your on going immorality... a licence to kill is what they seek and that is what their code offers them, but no amount of dogmatic rituals will ease your conscience if you have commited wickedness, you'll just have to loose yourself even deeper into those rituals, but at least you'll get the appearence of public respectability.

  Published: March 9, 2009 5:55 AM

• tom, an explaination for the irrational

  what is the motivation of Rome in it's issistance that the diverse peoples of the world ignor their emerging rationality and copulate without the minimal protection afforded by a few micrometers of latex rubber between them and the posibility of contracting the AIDS virus? this is something I've tried to understand but it defies all ration explaination... or does it? obviously the motivation is'nt the physical well being of the individuals concerned because abstinence is so totally unrealistic as a method of protectection that I think its being offered by reason of explaination is a total red herring, they cannot be ignorant of the fact that human nature being what it is.. this cannot work, therefore we must again borrow a premise from their dogma in order to atribute some kind of cohearence to what on the face of it...brazenly irrational guidence being offered not only to Catholics but to all the diverse peoples of the Earth, recalling some sermons from my youth (having been raised a Catholic) the emphasis placed on the union between a woman and a man under marraige seems to provide some explaination although we have to borrow heavily from the theoretical mystical realm here but only as a means to access some coherent on the thinking behind such advice, if we go back to the early days of the Judeo/Christian myth we see that God ordained that the union between a Man and his Wife be such that they cease to be individual in their natures, quite literally they become one flesh in mind and spirit, theres a lot more to it ofcourse but in essence it was assumed that they would be faithfull to one another an there for no one else would enter into their collective union or collective conciousness, this arrangement was a precurser to the family acting in unity and harmony but it was never intended to be the method to collectivise the whole human race though the subtle encouragement of infidelity and sometimes blatent encouragement of promiscuity insociety, therefore according to this belief system the discouragement of the use of an insulating layer of latex rubber is actually a means to extend and expand their collective conciousness at the expense of the health of the individuals concerned, so what is the solution here, on the one hand the collective conciousness desires to live and grow to encomass the entire earth and beyond, the trouble is if we are all collectivised in spirit the the consequent political systen will have to be collective in it's nature too since it be be a consequent reflection of their reality, but it acuality it will be in complete defiance with reality and as history has shown us with the eloquent examples of soviet russia etc... collectivism in politics DOES'NT WORK!!!!, you must permit the example of the fittest to continue or there won't be any survival!!! can we have the collective conciousness while allowing the common perception of the individual to be the normal state of affairs?.... history has shown us that this is only achievable when be all have a common frame of reference, formally this has been brought about through a common code of religion, but in todays world that is unrealistic because you just cannot amalgamate the worlds religions without nulifying the remnant of rationality that enables them to function to the degree they do, therefore we must agree on a new code of moralty that is'nt based on the arbitrary statements of religious patriarchs whom are only 'present' in ghost form but through the collective conciousness are immortalised, can you imagine the caos in the minds of the new citizens of the collectivised world when they attempt to integrate this sudden mass of contridictory instruction, one thing is for sure your amalgamated super church won't be turning out effective young people in the face of the cold hard reality of survival in this Universe, rather they won't stand an earthly chance, and the resources will get scarcer and scarcer until we're reduced to the lowest form of animal survival...canibalism, so we need an effective philosophy the agree on once and forall, as luck would have it, the Benevolent Universe gave us Ayn Rand whom was inspired to solve this very problem, she named it Objectivism, it's not tyrannical no more then you could claim the law of gravity is tyrannical it nature, she observer reality sincerely and was inspired to provide a proven method of funtioning within it's structure allowing for our nature as rational beings, it can be demonstrated to anyone even of lower intelligence that Objectivism is the correct instruction manual for life in this realm, and as for the here after...lets be honest...who cares, but if you are agonisingly streatched between this world and the next, remember which world your children will have to live in and act accordingly...ie give them a fighting chance, don't equip them for the next life when they've just arrived in this one, to those who want to keep their mystery cults, then do so, but behind closed doors, lets your public face be rationality, reason, this freedom may be illusory but it's better that explicit in you face incarceration, that won't inspire the best amoung us to achieve, besides in our technological era they are lots of ways to keep an eye on things, but any public rebelion from Objectivism or reality should be delt with as it threatens our survival as a species, and to those with absolute lolalty to that other theorectical realm...ie the fanatics whom would'nt hesitate to strap explosive vests upon the chests of their children whom incarnated with the hope of gaining an understanding of Objective reality, well it's their choice to leave anytime they want, but their kids are not their property to be disposed of to further their irrational cause, is it a condition that they kill the infidel prior to collecting their perpetual virgins post atrocity? or do those promised virgins have self healing hymens since otherwise they would run out? sorry I digress, we must keeps things rational or else whose gonna feed us and build our cities.

  Published: March 28, 2009 12:26 PM

• tom, socialism, atruism, collectivism....alive in spirit...dead in practice

  how wonderful that we are still free to share ideas in the fantastic forum of the world wide web, it's incredible, we can exercise our individuality in practice while unknowingly be within a total collective, we have the best of both worlds, we just need that anchor that stops us repeating the self destruct that so many others have succumed to, thats why I believe that Ayn Rand is the unlikliest of God sends, we don't have to throw it all away like so many before us, are you seriously concerned that you'll hurt the almighty's feelings by anouncing that you don't accept the credo of original sin, he/she is not troubled if he/she is worth their salt, it's all about us here and now, we are everything that matters, but don't crush the 'I' in this equation, it's not to offend our ego's but occaisionally the Benevovent Universe feels it's neccessary to incarnate and demonstrate a course correction, if the example of the idividual is'nt stamped out of possibility then at least disaster can be avoided, Original sin???... what is it your feel neccessary to condem a new born for?? what have you done that is so wrong that you need to condem all of humanity for?? black and white once live together in bliss, then came realty, where black excelled? and white became the poor relation, white invented this impossible morality to harness black, lets unite, rationalty can be our compass, we inhabit the same realm, lets use the same operating system, it's not a compremise it's an optimisation, even the lowest must look up for the fuel that serves as hope for the daily calculation we all make if even at the subconcious level, the cost/benifit analysis that it's still worth while, you can't take this emotion for granted, it's realy all that keeps it moving, it's a feeling....a suspision that this is good, it's as fragile as that.

  Published: March 28, 2009 4:14 PM

• tom, economics lecturer: 'free enterprise works'...student: 'yes but in'st there a solution to this?

  the best of British luck to you, it appears as though the British have had there fair share of luck in history..or perhaps Labour Under Correct Knowledge? no civilisation has had access to perfect knowledge as yet, but evidently some have prospered way beyond other nations, is this as a result of careful observation of reality and human nature and applying those observations to the leadership of the nation, or is it as some would have you believe the total exploitation of lesser nations? well that would save on the neccessity of having to speculate on the resulting economic success of one nation over another, meaning if the reason was simple exploitation then we can't then be in a position to advise countries whose economies never developed much beyond being bananna republics, Britain was the workshop of the world once, it has a proud heritage, there was no speak of devolution when the sun never set on it's empire, of course times change and we all recognise that building territorial empires is out dated and counter productive, with the example of the third reich being a great demonstration in how to distroy vast amounts of wealth and lives, sometimes I wonder if the nazis were genuinly surprised at the resistance that emerged from the British Isles with the leadership of Churchill, did the establishment of the day with the exception of Churchill decide to capitulate at some point? Churchill was prevented from speaking on the radio about the threat from the nazis by the BBC, and as I understand it the nazis intended only lightly garrisoning the UK intending minimal changes to it's society with the exception of their 'final solution' which would have been imposed totally, but the benevolent universe smilled on the UK and placed Mr Churchill there in wait, I don't think there is any dispute amoung rational people that the third reich would has been a living nightmare for everyone, but why is our national self esteem constantly being attacked from all sides, has Britain been deemed to be too strong for the comfort of other nations? perhaps they have lone wolfed it in history but that has usually turned out to be quite justified, even foriegn born people are noticing the injustices we seem to impose on ourselves, a recent example of a post master who was reported to be refusing to serve non-English speaking people at the counter, but upon further investigation, his action seemed entirely reasonable, it was his insistance that any non English speaker bring an interpreter with them inorder to spead up the transaction time since other customers were getting frustrated at the delays, this mans boss claimed the shri lanken born post master had a double standard because he was serving fellow shri lankens, but as any rational person could observe this does'nt contrict the post masters aim to serve customers quickly and efficiently since effective communication can still occur, but he can't be expected to speak all languages, it amazes me how news reporters can leave such glaring omissions in their reporting, so perhaps this is an example of the willfully irrational expectation of effective communication between people who have no common frame of reference for politically correct reasons, as it turned out the post master was sacked for the unpardenable sin of defying irrationality, a common language is essential in bringing about national cohesion, have the powers that be decided Britain should no longer have such cohesion? we are a melting pot as history has shown, it's not always been smooth sailing but it is self evident that we enjoy diversity as a nation, but while we make every allowance for every tounge and even revive the dead ones we are hindering our national cohesion, as well as language it is also neccessary to have an agreed common frame of reference in terms of philosophy, and who can argue that if Objective reality and mans rational nature qua man are the criterior for such an agreed common frame of reference that need not be constantly altered since reality is fixed and final then Ayn Rand's philosophy is a great method to achieve this co-operation amoung all peoples, since we all share those basic atributes and lets face it if there was a competition to decide which should be the Universal tounge to be spoken on Earth then English would be chosen simply by preference, perhaps manderin is the most commonly spoken language but there are more people learning English in China then reside in the UK, does'nt that tell you how unstoppable English is as a language, so lets save on the cognative space in our childrens heads and make multiple launges un neccessary unless you have an exceptional talent in the area of linguistics free up the grey matter for something relevant like Objectivism.

  Published: March 30, 2009 9:52 AM

• tom, networking the world, a super consciousness

  according to the principle of 'six degrees of seperation', you could select any individual on the planet and in theory be connected to them by association through six people, like a giant pyramid structure of super collective consciousness, now continuing on the premise in the blog three positions above whereby an attempt was being made to connect everyone on the planet by way of grand scale promiscuity, due to a corruption of the intended intimate union between husband and wife, this being achieved by deliberately eroding fidelty in society on the borrowed premise that this intimate act establishes a type of phychic link between the ligitimate couple thereby improving communication within the family unit, but some where along the line some one had the idea to expand on this collective consciousness to include everyone on earth, as it is pyrimidical in structure, the first one in must be at the top and is free to project their consciousness anywhere in the network, giving them virtual omniscience, this is where it becomes evident (based on a borrowed premise) that self esteem must'nt be encouraged within the population at large since the individual who does aquire it could be at odds with the will above them in the network since self esteem when aquired leads to the individual acting in a due regard to their own rational self interest which my conflict with the desires of the one who is attempting to use them as a puppet plaything, often with the purpose of some ilegal activity, some have called this demonic possession, but in this case the demons are flesh and blood like the rest of us but are a little further up the pyramid giving them mastery over the lesser senior individuals, therefore self esteem becomes the enemy in this arrangement and the powers that be begin to restructure society interms of education (the progressive variety) in order to clip the wings of the young that they may be easier to manipulate, but the consequent effect of people with low self esteem is drug abuse, lack of self dicipline, mental disorders, family breakdown, less people willing to take responsibility because they percieve that even their own actions are outside their control, then you get the specticle of social workers pleading that it was the poor toilet training that this killer had in his childhood that led to this crime etc, perhaps the image on the US one dollar bill illustrates this quite well, with the single eye at the top of the pyramid and the thirteen layers beneath, and finally the rest of the cannon fodder being the rest of us, this theory appears to eplain alot of the irrational policies that are being imposed by the leaders in society, but there is an antidote to this nonsense, and that is Ayn Rand's Objectivism, because if the voices in the heads of the bewildered young people are instructing something in breach of reality then quite simply you should refuse and call their attention to a quote from the writings of Ayn Rand explaining that this request would conflict with my obligation to maintain a due regard to my own rational self interest, then the voice won't have a leg to stand on (according to this borrowed premise) if the philosophy was established within the nations constitution the effect should be a massive reversal of the irrationality that is spreading in society and restore the individuals right to exhist for his or her own sake, I don't think this will bring about the feared senerio of dog eat dog or every man for him self since the example of 19th century America demonstrates that the rising tide of liberty raised all ships because they were free to act in their own best interest, and since there is no conflict of interest amoung rational men or women the result was greater prosperity, Rand observed once that prior to Government compensation or insurance back in the wheat belt of the US, when a farmer suffered a loss of property due to fire for example, his fellow farmers in the community would club together and donate for a replacement of the lost property, and this was achieved entirely by voluntary contribution which is the way it should be, not by means of Goverment coertion, quite often the farmer in question would end up even wealthier. perhaps the conflict between east and west was an indication that two great collectives were becomming aware on a conscious and sub-conscious level that at some stage either they join or one must die, but considering the idealogical differences between them it appeared as though they were entirely incompatible, but of course the pragmatists spead there influence in the west and communism was shown to be an unworkable joke, we in Britain chose suicide by socialism as our comprimise, but I guess no one fore saw the other world influences to be integrated into this unholy mix which some pragmatists still believe is possible, and since the real barganing chip here is nuclear arms, a way must now be found to integrate cultures that appear to be totally at odds, this is why religion simply won't work as the method to unite, it has to a philosophy based in Objective Reality where the most intelligent amoung our various cultures can use their skills of observation of Objective reality and the nature of man qua man to effectively present their arguments where the court of final appeal is Reality itself, the rewards will go to those whom are humble in the face of reality and recognise that there is something bigger then me ard it is neccessary to respect that, you may call it the Benevolent Universe premise of if you wish or call it a conscious an entity it changes nothing, but you won't be in a position to atribute arbitrary identities to it or announce your self as it's spokes person, because it's there fore all to see, the forum of debate shall be Objectivism, and those best at articulating that will have the upper hand, and reality itself shall validate their faithfullness at addressing then we will swith from the primacy of consciousness to the primacy of exhistance like a self fullfilling prophercy.

  Published: March 30, 2009 3:06 PM

• tom, mystic Objectivist,

  I think Objectivism has the potential to sweep the planet, but like any successful religion it must allow for the unseen and for those whom are connected to that realm, the good news is we can coexhist in harmony with no essential compremise to the philosophy, if we start early with the induction of Objectivism through osmosis we can plant the seed, typically the boys will be drawn to the philosophy as written by Rand, however the girls will seek to know the mystery teachings which they can recieve, this will require the seperation of classes, with the exception of effiminate boys whom should be educated with the girls, and conversely the tom boys should be educated with the boys, these types will serve as go betweens where req'd to soften the edges, we must'nt dismiss the effectiveness of cultural osmosis as a means of introducing difficult and abstract concepts, rituals can be established to reaffirm these practices much like the catholic church does with their sacriments such as baptism and holy communion and confirmation, these rituals have been established over millenia it response to observations of human nature and therefore are a good source of inspiration for the creation of a secular based religion only it may as well be called a philosophy which is more in keeping with modern life, and since it can be Objectively demostrated that this philosophy adheres to Objective reality, the only people who would object are clearly the ones who want to remain exempt from reality and consequently should seek total escape from the primacy of exhistance... if they are sincere they will be transported to their primacy of consciousness realm where they get to play God, so the girls will recieve the explicit mystical Objectivist teachings with the previously stated exceptions and can then exchange with the boys through cultural osmosis at appropriate stages via cerimony events in order to establish a structure in their lives, then the boys will aquire a sub conscious knowledge of mystical Objectivism which for purposes of ballance is required, but in order for boys to remain fully effective in Objective reality that knowledge should remain implicit rather that explicit, obviously there will be exceptions as with the catholic church where boys demonstrate a spiritual calling they can then be reassigned to mystical Objectivists classes which they should only share via cultural osmosis with the non initiated boys since this aspect of Objectivism could be disturbing to the rank and file, I suppose the ideal would be a man whom has the explicit teachings married to a woman whom has the implicit teachings in communion with each other thereby plugging the gaps in their respective consciousness and sub consciousness, theoretically this should establish harmony in the partnership. however this notion of chased partnership that the catholic church encourage would not work here since regular osmosis is req'd the maintain harmony, ofcourse their are exceptions here too, by observing the catholic insistance that priests remain celibate, presumably this is to either a, establish a true sense of individuality in the person of the priest or b, to permit the establisment of character duplication by giving the product of initial osmosis sufficient time to take hold with that individual, the practice of female circumcission is I think similar in it's intent here also, presumably with that custom a patriarcal figure is called to carry out the initial imprinting protocol (A.I.) movie illustrates this, then a means to allow sufficient time to ellapse inorder for the imprinting to take hold, so they mutilate the genitals to make the process of any further attempts to imprint there by creating conflict very difficult and extremely painfull for the emerging duplicated persona, so they encourage the belief amoung westerners that it's done in order to deny the woman sexual pleasure in later life when this in just a convienient excuse, this practice is backward looking and results in cultual stagnation and should be strongly discouraged, with the new Objectivist method sexual pleasure is essential to maintain harmony between couples, infact I'm beginning to accept the idea that the human body is much more complex then modern biology would have us believe, I think the mechanics of sexual intercourse is incredibly sophisticated in it's original intent, one could describe the interior of the vagina as a highly efficient super conductor for the purpose of exchanging life force between a man and a woman (with the obvious exception of homosexulity) the mans penus is likewise also a super conductor (where the fore skin remains for protection of the semi permiable membrain) perhaps this indicates the reason for male circumcision, although in this case it having been done in infancy suggests unthinkable notions of the nature of the imprinting protocol which presumably occurs prior to circumcisson, could this involve young female members of that community? this is pure speculation of course, but if you attempt to attribute a rational explaination even to the strangest behaviour in our world on the pemise that there must be a payoff behind it and provide you permit yourself the the mind bending willingness to venture into religious dogma, this habit starts to shed light on why our world appears to be so irrational, inorder for us to be effective at survival today we need clarity of vision, we need to be totally transparent to one another and totally integrated as a species, this can only be achieved through an Objectivist code of morality, having said that I'm beginning to appreciate the need to have a mystical ballance to this arrangement, but through the regular practice of unifying through osmosis we can have official seperation of mystical and secular Objectivism there by ridding us of the need to establish an official state religion, if Objectivism was given a level playing field it would win hands down, another harmfull thing the church insists upon is the ban on the use of condoms, perhaps their primary concern here is the expansion of the collective consciousness but whats the point if they die od aids within a couple of years, a better solution would be the invention of a condon made from a semi conducting material which enables the exchange of life force leading to the expansion of the collective consciousness but at the same time stopping the transference of the aids virus which in theory should be easy to do since presumably the lifeforce particle is much smaller then the aids virus particle, so the lifeforce particle can travel through the polymers of the latex rubber, the only potential concern here is, are the properties of the latex rubber also transported in the exchange leading to the manifestation of flexibility in some form, not literally of course, perhaps moral flexibility.

  Published: April 20, 2009 6:05 AM

• tom, Universal Objectivist

  continuing with our no holds bared Objectivist observations of the world, the question of the tora bora mountains of afganistan and why a succession of western powers keep getting ensnared there leads me to consider the possibility that there is something special about that region, could it be that there are vast Iron deposits within the mountains which interfere with the earths magnetic field like a gigantic flux amplifier enabling anyone with phychic ability to effectively remote view from that location to anywhere else on the planet, perhaps due to the intensity of the flux a greater influence can be brought to bear upon the innocent people who's will they are controlling inorder to carry out acts of terrorism around the world, there by rendering those people, usually the ones of sincere quality whom they can effectively brainwash to be remote operatives in the achievement of their evil plans, if this is true then the only option is to quary the whole mountain range, which in preparation for the construction of new heavy lift air freight vehicles will become neccessary for the smelting of new types of metals for space exploration craft, once this region has been leveled there won't be any further need to spend vast amounts on policing this area, but the odd bunker busting misile won't achieve this, there're not hiding they're using the most effective remote viewing/influencing resouces at their disposol, of course this is total speculation but some times in default of a reasonable explaination we need to be bold in our guesses as long as you don't start believing your own fantacies it can be fun, perhaps thats why the gihadist crashed those planes into the world trade centre, what if they are the modern equvilent of flux amplifiers, and the gihadist were attempting to deny the same facility to Governments in the west, if we could perfect super conductivity at room temperature could we not reduce the cross sectional area of a superconducting cable to make it fesable to create a toroidal equitorial flux induction belt to further our viewing/influencing capability around the world, provided this was done in concordance with Objectivist morality it would be totally ethical, and why stop there, we could then instal a tropic of cancer induction flux belt and a tropic of capricorn belt too for starters, for the establishment of the correct constitution within global citizenry, the consumption of guiness may accelerate this as the Iron content in particle form can construct field lines inside the brain and body, so the personal constitution becomes a literal structure of the character of the individual, another idea would be to convert Londons old navigational canal network into a cycling flux induction super high way, if we used a dynamic system of flux induction since cyclist tend to be quite tough in their nature, something like a worm drive induction, two counter rotation magnetic fields to improve lane dicipline by progressively increasing the difficulty level to maintain correct lane dicipline, and where an infraction occurs the bicycle police will be at hand to penalise accordigly, and since those rough neck types will deserately want to maintain there access to the worm drive cycle way they will pay up, these funds can go towards the expansion of this system to other cities since the exhisting canal system is operating at a fraction of it's capacity, it should be made clear that the use of the cycle wormway is a priveledge and not a right, then for people who consistaintly abuse the priveledge a total prohibition is enforced, there fore this cannot be a public works project (at least officially) and then we can justify bringing in foriegn workers to get the job done cost effectively, like with the construction of the railways in the USA, in these days of relatively inexpensive air travel we could establish commuter services to labour pool locations such as China or India, and since those routes will then be in place that will encourage tourism to those locations, that way we can get these projects done on time and within budget, of course this will probably cause unrest amoung our own workforce, perhaps by way of compensation free flights and accomadation could be given in addition to their welfare cheques to enable them to experience different cultures there there fore have a stake in the posperity of the foriegn work pool, the Thames river in London is any resouce thats under used, we could dam the estury at tilbury, lay pipes to remove rainwater and within the trench we could build more cycle wormways, addional maglev train systems connecting the addional United Nations building this side of the pond (the millenium dome) with places such as westminster and the new centre for Objectivist studies (the site of the oylimpics, post games) that will encourage the politicians to reduce there use of chauffeur driven limos...good for the environment, and when someone invents an engine that runs on H2O (water) the by product being Oxygene which can safely vented to atmosphere, we won't have to worry about the rain forrest so much, an with all these additional cyclists we're going to require more Oxygene so they can expend more energy maintaining lane dicipline, the difficulty level can be increased at the turn of a dial, the police may require some kind of nutralising head wear to enable them to be unaffected, which make think about facial hair, what does it achieve, is it natures way of enabling the owner of the hair to cause a phychic disturbance to some one without head protection such as a turbin or metal hat, is so then this is unfair, and hence facial hair should be banned, there are excellent razors available these days so the excuse of pain at shaving is no longer a concern, we can invent a story of a new parasite that lives in facial hair as a means to compliance, an alternative to shaving could be the hair removal booth in the movie 'the andromeda strain' which reduces unwanted hair to dust, and lasts upto a month for a nominal charge, in addition to field induction, when the rough neck types harden to that system, the stroboscopic method of conditioning could be used at night which provides conditioning via the optic nerve, the millenium dome is ideal considering the shape, toroidal flux loops can be intergrated into the fabric of the dome which can be supplied by the energies of the cyclist to encourage consensus when critical votes are on the floor, this may lead to agreevement amoung the delegates therefore a sufficient distraction must be made available during recess, none of this will come cheap, but considering that the Amway corperation is very progressive in this type of thinking, I'm sure they will sponsor many of these inovative projects, but they will need a tax break for their independant buisness owners, and the on going educational system should be Objectivist in nature, the Amway range of repeat purchase consumables will become the essential must have items, wallmart could provide some valuable lessons in real world economics to Amway in exchange for access to a downmarket versions of the exclusive to Amway repeat purchase consumables which they can make available to poeple with reduced funds, but the appearence of seperation should be maintained for the benifit of the free enterprise system, with the use of RFID tags shopping for repeat purchase consumables will be as easy as offering your right hand up to your bathroom reader, you IBO distributer will even have access to your bathroom cabinate via the outside of if you live in an apartment, the undercroft beneath the floor, probably no more that three foot in height, we can create a loyal discrete work force like the umper loompers like on charlie and the chocolate factory, since due to discrimation in the work place, they will have job security with us. more ides to follow.

  Published: April 20, 2009 8:50 AM

• tom

  so why is'nt Atlas Shrugged a movie already..is it too intellectual for holywood? are they worried it might blow all the cobwebs from out of our crainiums and,God forbid...perhaps get people thinking again, well since young people appear to be thinking regardless, only not in accordance with Objective Reality but instead along various lines of mysticism or militant environmentalism, why not create two versions of Atlas, one as written and the other with and alternative ending that would satisfy the socialist/atltruist/collectivist axis out there, then the paying public can decide which is the best which will be indicated by the box office receipts surely thats the democratic way.

  Published: May 9, 2009 6:15 PM

• tom, advocate for a second renaissance in glorious technicolour

  clearly Objectivism is the frame work with which we should progress because it's concordant with so vast a playground called Reality where the potential is so incredible we should not concern ourselves with previously held ideals such as heaven or the garden of eden etc.. to any movie fan of the present, the stuff that holywood has been doing lately far surpasses what the medieval intellect could dream up in terms of an exciting future for humanity. for example the latest star trec movie is awesome with the technology that will enable us to travel in excess of the speed of light and promises to give us the ability to spread our influence well into the galaxy, I thought it was a little strange that they were still gestating babies the old fashioned way, I would have thought that option would be strictly for the puritans by then, there by enabling the sexes to be on a completely equal footing in career terms, and since our new hi tech society will need a constant supply of new blood to service all these new industries we will probably have to overcome our superstitions about where and how new life is brought into the Universe, which brings me to the subject of imprinting protocols (A.I.) what should be the basic foundational character upon which the emerging individual can then add to in complexity of personality, idealy it should be the same for both sexes but without detracting from the male/female identity since those aspect usually develop later anyway, like a universal personality stamp that everyone gets from the outset to help them get a quick start in the game of life, personally I'm thinking we should collect the personality signiture of Jessica Alba since through her films she demonstrates that as well as being beautiful in a feminine way, she is also unaffraid to scrap with the guys and visably she has a lot of fun too in her interactions with the cast and crew of her movies, these are qualities which must be included in our future generations initial personality signitures, in addition, we need an Objectivist imprinting but with softer edges, since the puritans don't appear to be winning people over to this in sufficient numbers to turn the tide for the future, would it be so wrong to pay a little lip service to altruism in the short term inorder to increase momentum in the long run? a good example here is Amway, a company devoted to free enterprise however it still does a great deal of work for the environment and charities without coertion, they have demonstrated that private companies don't need 'the gun pressed to the head' to do the 'right thing' and since these simple public relations exercises are effective at removing obsticles for growth, perhaps they are the right thing to do, I know it comes down to the unalienable priciple 'does man have the right to live for him self' but if we impose that too ridgidly so early in the growth of Objectivism we may stifle the long range potential when already many of the so called advocates of liberty in our culture are starting to scoff at this principle, only now they have no alternative ideology to rouse the mob towards which can mean only pure naked irrational arbitrary evil as being the prospects of our future, ie global faschist/socialist dictatorship, I'm sure no one in their right mind wants this, so I think the price we must pay for now as emerging Objectivist is to compremise a little until even the lowest intellects amoung us are further up to speed with this philosophy, I guess it's like the story of the greek god who wanted to show mankind the glories of heaven, only when he attempted to do so, he blew the minds of those poor lowley mortals, he then realised you can only take the concept of heaven down so far, but there still remains a gap between the conceptualising ability of the 'downcast' and full realisation of this tricky concept, in other words if society by default of proper training for it's youth render the youth 'dumbed down' they will duely behave like the animals whom never aquired the conceptualising ability to rise beyond the jungle, how ever I understand that certain leaders in society feel that the young are more manigable with a lesser cognative capacity and are prepared to put up with the jungle in their own cities, and that may have worked in times gone by when the only weopons avalable at best was a revolver, but now an arsonal is within reach of the same kids whom due to these educational difficiencies can no longer aquire the civility to consider being civilised, there is an alternative to dumbing down that won't threaten our leaders shakey belief in their own superiority over the cannon fodder, and that is 'to dumb up' even to levels where it's possible to package a genius and an idiot together, but if you do this it's essential they have a solid operating system, in the past that has been religion, but that won't work here because of their ability to spot contridictions which those religions are full of, hence the need of Objectivism where it can be logically demonstrated that an argument is valid in concordance with reality, look upon it as an advance prototype computer... GIGO...garbage in....garbage out, in essence it is stupid and will reamain so untill you give it a more effective operating system, but if the prototype has already been corrupted with previous bad programming ie socialism/altruism/collectivism...then you can only expect so much of the same ...syntax error's..but as for the next generation...anythings possible..we just need the correct initial imprinting, Lisa Van Damme could be a softer example of an Objectivist personality signiture for download to the new range of tabula rasa computers...in addition with Jessica Alba's profile...this should make for a great new prototype since the installers signiture is almost non-exhistant it could be a one imprint fits all as the initial character foundation, and as for later additions to personality profiles, that will become apparent as the computer develops and it's traits and talents begin to emerge, then specialisation can be worked on, but nature Vs nurture is a false dichotomy, it's both. the new star trec movie also featured an advanced educational system where the vulcan children were within multi media pods, and phychically isolated from other pupils via the density of the floor material, this could be a big advantage in teaching, not to say interaction did'nt occur between pupils, but it was controlled and observed, as with the scene where the young spoc is provoked into a fight, no doubt spocs emotions were being heated up by some tallented individual behind the scenes, but since it was controlled no serious physical harm occured, these are usefull tools in assessment provided they are managed properly.

  Published: May 11, 2009 4:46 AM

• tom, advocate for a second renaissance in glorious technicolour

  clearly Objectivism is the frame work with which we should progress because it's concordant with so vast a playground called Reality where the potential is so incredible we should not concern ourselves with previously held ideals such as heaven or the garden of eden etc.. to any movie fan of the present, the stuff that holywood has been doing lately far surpasses what the medieval intellect could dream up in terms of an exciting future for humanity. for example the latest star trec movie is awesome with the technology that will enable us to travel in excess of the speed of light and promises to give us the ability to spread our influence well into the galaxy, I thought it was a little strange that they were still gestating babies the old fashioned way, I would have thought that option would be strictly for the puritans by then, there by enabling the sexes to be on a completely equal footing in career terms, and since our new hi tech society will need a constant supply of new blood to service all these new industries we will probably have to overcome our superstitions about where and how new life is brought into the Universe, which brings me to the subject of imprinting protocols (A.I.) what should be the basic foundational character upon which the emerging individual can then add to in complexity of personality, idealy it should be the same for both sexes but without detracting from the male/female identity since those aspect usually develop later anyway, like a universal personality stamp that everyone gets from the outset to help them get a quick start in the game of life, personally I'm thinking we should collect the personality signiture of Jessica Alba since through her films she demonstrates that as well as being beautiful in a feminine way, she is also unaffraid to scrap with the guys and visably she has a lot of fun too in her interactions with the cast and crew of her movies, these are qualities which must be included in our future generations initial personality signitures, in addition, we need an Objectivist imprinting but with softer edges, since the puritans don't appear to be winning people over to this in sufficient numbers to turn the tide for the future, would it be so wrong to pay a little lip service to altruism in the short term inorder to increase momentum in the long run? a good example here is Amway, a company devoted to free enterprise however it still does a great deal of work for the environment and charities without coertion, they have demonstrated that private companies don't need 'the gun pressed to the head' to do the 'right thing' and since these simple public relations exercises are effective at removing obsticles for growth, perhaps they are the right thing to do, I know it comes down to the unalienable priciple 'does man have the right to live for him self' but if we impose that too ridgidly so early in the growth of Objectivism we may stifle the long range potential when already many of the so called advocates of liberty in our culture are starting to scoff at this principle, only now they have no alternative ideology to rouse the mob towards which can mean only pure naked irrational arbitrary evil as being the prospects of our future, ie global faschist/socialist dictatorship, I'm sure no one in their right mind wants this, so I think the price we must pay for now as emerging Objectivist is to compremise a little until even the lowest intellects amoung us are further up to speed with this philosophy, I guess it's like the story of the greek god who wanted to show mankind the glories of heaven, only when he attempted to do so, he blew the minds of those poor lowley mortals, he then realised you can only take the concept of heaven down so far, but there still remains a gap between the conceptualising ability of the 'downcast' and full realisation of this tricky concept, in other words if society by default of proper training for it's youth render the youth 'dumbed down' they will duely behave like the animals whom never aquired the conceptualising ability to rise beyond the jungle, how ever I understand that certain leaders in society feel that the young are more manigable with a lesser cognative capacity and are prepared to put up with the jungle in their own cities, and that may have worked in times gone by when the only weopons avalable at best was a revolver, but now an arsonal is within reach of the same kids whom due to these educational difficiencies can no longer aquire the civility to consider being civilised, there is an alternative to dumbing down that won't threaten our leaders shakey belief in their own superiority over the cannon fodder, and that is 'to dumb up' even to levels where it's possible to package a genius and an idiot together, but if you do this it's essential they have a solid operating system, in the past that has been religion, but that won't work here because of their ability to spot contridictions which those religions are full of, hence the need of Objectivism where it can be logically demonstrated that an argument is valid in concordance with reality, look upon it as an advance prototype computer... GIGO...garbage in....garbage out, in essence it is stupid and will reamain so untill you give it a more effective operating system, but if the prototype has already been corrupted with previous bad programming ie socialism/altruism/collectivism...then you can only expect so much of the same ...syntax error's..but as for the next generation...anythings possible..we just need the correct initial imprinting, Lisa Van Damme could be a softer example of an Objectivist personality signiture for download to the new range of tabula rasa computers...in addition with Jessica Alba's profile...this should make for a great new prototype since the installers signiture is almost non-exhistant it could be a one imprint fits all as the initial character foundation, and as for later additions to personality profiles, that will become apparent as the computer develops and it's traits and talents begin to emerge, then specialisation can be worked on, but nature Vs nurture is a false dichotomy, it's both. the new star trec movie also featured an advanced educational system where the vulcan children were within multi media pods, and phychically isolated from other pupils via the density of the floor material, this could be a big advantage in teaching, not to say interaction did'nt occur between pupils, but it was controlled and observed, as with the scene where the young spoc is provoked into a fight, no doubt spocs emotions were being heated up by some tallented individual behind the scenes, but since it was controlled no serious physical harm occured, these are usefull tools in assessment provided they are managed properly.

  Published: May 11, 2009 5:14 AM

• tom,again

  it's not a betrayal of Objectivism to advocate the compremise of paying lip sevice to altruism if the alternative is to stick to your guns and refuse any contribution to the guilded parasites, if the result would be a total declaration of war against the flegling Objectivist universe in it's infancy, I suspect if pushed into a courner on this issue, those that hold the upper hand at present will act in a very destructive irrational way and kill off all remaining expressions of Objectivism, this would be as devistating for them as it will be for all of us, if how ever Objectivism is permitted to grow and integrate and slowly point out the folly of our present ways of thinking I'm sure it's long term survival will be assured, there fore when the total conversion to rationality as a species has been achieved and the abundance and resources that will follow, on that day it can truely be said that if a man chooses he can absolutely live for himself and no other he could probabley start his own civilisation on another planet, but mean while we are all locked together on this one, and for that reason the so called guilded parrasites will not conceed to Objectivists the notion that man is an end in himself under any circumstances (although we may hold this up as a theoretical ideal), so I think as Objectivist we must be patient in manifesting this young and fragile philosophy because one thing is for sure it will take the co operation of everyone to fully establish Objectivism here on Earth, one day we can have a planet Objectivism, it may not even be an issue in the future who gets the materials rewards when if our technology is so advance you'll have machines building machines, it may even be forgotton who had the initial property rights.

  Published: May 11, 2009 5:45 AM

• Tom, Objective Realist.

  Random Comments.

  Christianity is a S.T.D. ...so is rands razor potentially
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  prisoners from cuba are amplifiers against helpless victims of progressive education, hence.....
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  Published: June 5, 2009 2:37 AM

• tom, if we become a stable measure of black and white, then the prime mover must be objectivism

  lets face it we all have a dark and light side, if we are to achieve an upright posture and not be rendered either neutrat or at the mercy of peer pressure we need a code to like by, in my opinion this must be based in this realm of objective reality, perhaps other dimensions exhist but why is that a concern, we find ourselves here, my guess is this is the central standard by which all other realms are measured, our resources are without doubt supreme, it's clear why all previous codes are about instilling guilt and eroding any emerging development of a healthy ego, it's about control.. I'm saying nothing new here it's been said many times over, however the difference now is, we can arrive and a total knowledge of the true value of our exhistance in the here and now, of course the G_d question will arise, but weather it's premise or entity lets put that at the back of our minds where it should remain until we deal with the challenge of effective survival in the Universe, I guess the good news for those whom are holding out for some arbitrary construct called heaven or hell... they should'nt mind being dispatched there since I believe their accomadation is ready for inhabitation, for those whom are believers in DNA... great our time for being appologetic for the sin of being alive is over, if we embrace this philosophy of Objectivism with an understanding of our capacity for being rational.

  Published: June 8, 2009 11:24 AM

• Mondragon

  Ah, Fake philosophy for greedy simpletons, how can it fail.

  Published: July 22, 2009 11:18 AM

• girlteam2009

  As Carol says in one of the special introductions taped for this Collector's Edition, "The IQ Fairy never did pay Carol Burnett dvds a visit. A tarefa de trazer a mesma marca ao layman est� agora nas m�os dos fabricantes da r�plica. A maioria de artigos aut�nticos de Tiffany s�o um de um tipo e n�o podem ser possu�dos mesmo por alguns dos povos os mais ricos no mundo.
  

  Published: September 4, 2009 12:35 PM

• Tom, save us from the siucide of socialism

  wow, did anyone see the labour party's attempts to revive socialism which has been philosophically dead since the fourty's they offer the same old bromides to defend the dam thing when history has exhausted itself trying to demonstrate the error of this path, so why in the name of rationality do they flog this dead horse, Capitalism is evil don't you know, if keeping the human race alive was an evil action then I'd agree with them, Mixed economy... is this a concept unknown outside of Objectivist circles? apparently yes... or is it.. Brown's hero in economics is Alan Greenspan... has he neglected to read Greenspans early writings in Capitalism the unknown ideal, come to think of it has Alan himself read that body of work since it has precious little manifestation in his style, anyway it's an extemely clear and concise presentation of the moral efficacey of Capitalism, so why do they hate the greatest wealth creating method of politics that planet earth has ever seen, the statistic do support this claim, ref; Simon the ultimate resource, some will say lies damn lies and statistics, ok put your head back in the sand... so whats to be done with the bankers.. now commonly regarded as child killers, I've worked in banks at a level where their guard is lowered... the service industry, yes I've seen the Masters of the Universe types strutting around, they are ego's on legs.. but so what.. thats a quality you need in the cut and thrust of banking, thats not true of all of them.. some have aquired a healthy and ballanced ego, well you have to reward these so called Alpha males and evidently females (perhaps it was always so) so if not a monetary reward then what? the politicians would have us believe they are satan incarnate, well it's always safe to denounce the businessmen/women and often they'll assist you in the process as Ayn Rand said, because philosophically they are clueless as to the good they do for society as that appears to be the standard by which all actions are judged at present, so how to reward the Alpha's amoung us, we do need their skills.. the politicians would have us believe they should do it for the greater good and only take a reasonable reward, well who decides that, it should be the free market, supply and demand, only thingd are not that simple anymore, MIXED ECONOMY SATURATION, ok then lets deal with that, what to offer the Alpha's... lets look to nature,,, the Alpha's get the breading rights in the herd, pehaps they could be encourage to contribute their seed for the less endowed (in financial skills) then they could observe their progeny at a safe distance and influence their life course, surely this is what you'd expect from a master of the Universe, if they metaphorically put a gun to those Bankers heads and politely say no big bonus'es boys and girls, don't be supprise if they take flight from that proffession because other then the payout,, from what I can see their jobs suck.. oh but they should do it for the good of the proliteriat or the widows and orphans... are we still living in the cultural annex of moscow of the 1920's, because I suspect Moscow of the present has a better handle on reality then our leaders do... so why are they defficient in the ability to think Objectively, some amoung them think that Britain is a nation of well managed battery hens, that may have been true before but I think us hens are rapidly arriving at the conclusion that we can do better then Goverment, I'm not an anarchist.. I follow with Rand on the idea that Government have a legitimate role for the provision of 3 services that must be done under one authority, and thats Law enforcement, the Judiciary, and the Armed Services, this is illustrated in 'the virtue of selfishness' but there's not a single other service that can't be provided privately, under the premise of benevolent selfishness... we are not God's don't expect unconditional love from human beings, that a code of morality reserved for heaven... I personally have no knowledge of heaven and I object when people want to dictate my conduct based on a wet dream they've had about paradise... I don't give a xxxx about the after life, I'm here on terrafirma along with 6.5 billion others, and my logic tells me they all chose to be here precisely to find out about this place..i.e. Ojective reality, Rand's philosophy is an extention of Aristotle but made accessible to the average and dare I say it the below average which is where I consider my starting place was, thankfully due to natures provision of a cognative space saving operating system to preseve a minimal amount of logic in a childs mind through the years of progressive education (otherwise known as attention defficit disorder) you just have to reboot your system after the period of junk education is over, but god help you if you opt for university that really cements the process, having said that I left my reboot till even later then that, I would'nt wish it on my worst enemy, Rands writes on this in the anti-industrial revolution...the comprachico's ... but to the exclusion of almost everything else it is possible to salvage a rational sense of life and a conviction that we live in a rational Universe and the small expression of life that each of us is can make a difference, but we need a common ground philosophy to do that, the great religions of the world are each convinced that they have that philosophy, I'm comming to the conclusion that we all have a piece of the puzzle, but to focus exclusively on any one single piece is not the way forward for the world, irronically I think the philosophy of an athiest is the intergrating philosophy, thats why I call it the common ground philosophy, and since it's origin is with aristotle it should not be unfamiliar to the great reliogions of the world, Thomas Aquinas introduced it to the Catholic church, and the Islamic religion translated Aristotle from the Greek language and integrated in into their culture, I think the Ottomon empire was a practicle manifestation of this, which ofcourse was dismantled by western powers, I don't think it's possible for any single group to race on ahead anymore, they will be pulled back by the established powers, therefore we all have to co operate, if for example China dicided to stop subsidising US profligacey at the printinting press by adopting a more honorable international currency it would probably be an act of war, the British Empire suffered many injury's to it's ego in the gradual process of dismantling after the war, this process was very public and painfull but I think it has prepared Britain for Greatness in the world once again, the US on the other hand is unlikely to take this with a stiff upper lip, they did not get the benifit of perspective that the Brits did and their Empire was'nt overt as was the British so the Americans will feel more helpless in the face of this decline, having said this there is no other culture other then western that I would like to live under but having live in a city like London I do feel like a planetary citizen already...but also I'm deffinately a child of holywood and ealing film studios and pinewood etc, but philosophically I belong to Ayn Rand

  Published: September 29, 2009 10:24 AM

• Tom, advocate for benvolent selfishness

  are our tools of perception exclusively at our disposal, or have others evolved the capacity to effectively tune into what we see? looking at it from an electo magnetic perspective it should be logical to conclude that the data from our sense perceptions once integrated by the brain that a corresponding electro magnetic wave form should hence be created and travel beyond the confinds of our crainiums since bone material is no barrier to E-M wave forms, on this pemise one might conclude that those EM waves or more probably concentric circles or even concentric spheres like when you throw a stone in a pond would travel to the outer most reaches of the body of water, perhaps this is true of human thinking too, perhaps all the data from our sense perceptions and thinking processes do travel outwards beyond our skulls, then the question is how far do they go, according to newton unless these wave forms are opposed with an equal and opposite force then theoretically they should travel forever, and since no two people have identical thought processes then it's safe to assume that the entire Universe is a store house of every experience that every human being has ever had, it's just a question of developing sufficiently advanced instrumentation to decoded this data and and present it, if there is life else where in the Universe then since it's a big place can we assume that one day a clever civilisation out there will make the same realisation and big equipment that can scan for those concentric EM signals, perhaps we'll all be gone my then, but even so theoretically our entire lifespans my be recorded, perhaps the Universe is a giant video cassette recorder but insted of using ferrous oxide to store the data, it simply uses infinite space, so if those Aliens do analyse all this sense perceptual data to the extent that they can sperate out the distinctive life spans, they each may be allocated a life span to study and place into context accross the span of human history if assuming that longevity is'nt a problem for them, and if in time these beings developed such mastery of time and space and matter might they also have developed time travel so if these life spans of ours are in the distant past of these beings perhaps they found away to communicate to us accross space and time perhaps that is what religions mean by a soul, an alien that was allocated a particular life span to study and when they were sufficiently trained in the life span of that individual that they could then attempt to intervene by sending information and guidence back to that person in the form of dreams or intuition, one movie I saw recently was surrogate with bruce willis, it seemed to say something similar, the surrogates are like robotic avatars in the world where by your life can be lived by the use of a remote body or host being which unless it was being engaged fully was left to flounder in a world that requires your full focus at all times in order to function in the Capitalist West, how ever since the controllers often lost interest since every life has it's quiet periods, these surrogates were quite useless because they did'nt have a fall back operating system that would enabled them semi autonomy for the mundane periods that their operators could'nt be bothered to hang around for, I think click illustrates this, where adam sandlers character uses his remote control to speed through the boring periods of his surrogate life span where the remote is a personification, perhaps thats why religion was created as an early operating system to enable the surrogates to free wheel sufficiently to continue survival within a code of morality, ofcourse this is where the movie surrogates and I part company, because those personifications were completely ineffective once the operator had disengaged, which is where presumably the welfare state becomes neccessary because my surroggate has to live too and since another surrogate seems to have more I'll just get a law passed so the wealth is redistributed, assuming the surrogates are like children in the sense that they need to be allowed time to grow and observe the world and the way it functions before they are deprived of all objectivity and plunged into a collective rendering then helpless in the face of reality and totally dependant on the collective in action in thought and deed, operators that connect only to leave their surrogates floundering an at the mercy of the church or welfare state should lose their licence, you need an operator with enough resouces to devote sufficient time to their surrogates to enable them to be effective in the world, but we don't want legions of robots either, there must be sufficient individuality to enable a creative contribution on the part of the surrogates, an operator of this king would be big enough not to have to devote conscious cognitive effort on the usual problems of survival in a hostile environment, because mastery of time and space and matter would be second nature and almost entirely forgetable therefore one can focus on whats important, such as ensuring that the surrogates get the correct operating system whereby they too could arrive and a state of blissfull ignorance of the usual concerns of survival and actually believe the hype that there's nothing hostile about this world and that we do indeed live in a benevolent Universe not a malevolent, this kind of display is good for public moral, and in these days of advance technology, there's not reason why every household could'nt each have two surrogates of their own to rediscover the joys of their youth without the concerns of damage or violence, if mass production is desired then the standard model should be fun and not too deep like the disco barbie variety of dolls of course a male version is required, but if the base build personality was equiped with good acting skills and tough enough to present a masculine conduct then there's no reason why the base build personality could'nt primarily be female, so the initial imprinting protocol (A.I. Spielburgh) could be a bullit proof Disco Barbie and Ken too since the means of transmission is quite minimal in self identity, we would know what we're getting from the start provided the path of least resistance is chosen, it's a brave step but a logical one too, we have the think of psycological problems due to conflicting operating systems, so if the motherboard is completely free of prior imprinting protocols this should ensure saint like levels of obedience in the surrogates, here too a philosophy of rational self interest is essential where unscrupulous operators my instruct their surrogates to do morally questionable acts such as we have been seeing lately, cammacarzis should be consigned to history, this will require an armistice on a global scale, should the competition not now go to who's best at commanding their surrogates to self distruct or who can command their surrogates to be most effective in a rational universe, there will always be wars to fight, but lets take that activity of world, lets colonise Mars and when the time is right we can start another conflict there as it seems to be a fravorite amoung the operators, so a common ground philosophy is required, Objectivism is perfect, any religion can integrate it, yes she was an athiest, but I think this was a strategic choice on her part, her philosophy would have been killed in it's infancy otherwise, and she made coded references to the Benevolent Universe (premise not entity) and the Malevolent Universe (premise not entity) I think both are correct, premise means idea and at best we can only hold an idea of what God is about to know it in it's entirity wether it's a he or a she or infinitely more besides need not be discussed, and she allowed for light and dark , so you make your choice and bloody well keep it to your self, because we're not interested in the non-Objective, if their is some unspeakable method by which you came to know Jesus or Mohammed it's really not an Objective concern, the voice in your head might be the Benevolent Universe but who cares unless you can Objectively demostrate it by producing a new method of creating clean and renewable energy that the benevolent universe sent you the blue prints to make, but even there as with school, don't simply give me the answer, show me the working out too, or does progressive education allow just the answer now? incidently if someone does claim the credit for such technology I think their decendants should be made in the future to put in the blood sweat and tears to show the causal connections as to how they arrived at the answer, this should prevent anyone stealing the downloaded blueprints from the benevolent universe and claiming the credit, but the financial rewards are another matter entirely, frank whittle may have invented the jet engine and started a brand new industry but he did'nt have the brains to hold on to the wealth, should have shown more interest in economics class, but as is so often the case their passion is in the creativity, at least he got the acknowledgement for the jet. this is win win for all. Amway what a fantastic and overlooked method of logistics, network in growth pattern, I just hated the paperwork, but with RFID technology it could be the simplest method of global distribution ever, and the snobs will stay away because they won't lower themselves to selling soap. good chance for the little guy, and when economies of scale kick in it will be unstoppable, may need a few lessons from the walton family in real world economics though.

  Published: October 7, 2009 1:28 PM

• tom, Objectivism is the antidote to the Globalist fachist superstate.

  did Churchill do the unforgivable in the eyes of those that intendended for the world to be under the fist of a global fachist superstate by now, is he considered to be the demolition man simply because he decided that one should settle for liberty even if the cost is death, perhaps those with the same lust for total control have opted for a different method, clearly the qualities demonstrated by the Brits of that period are not acceptable namely pride, self respect and a solid conviction that the tyrants of this world should get a bloody nose, I suspect Britain has paid the price for it's stand against the establishing of a global fachist state 1939-1945, it's not hard to see the work of the fith colomnist down the decades, where ever there is the emergence of competency or innovation in any field of endevour in Britain, it would appear the anti-bodies soon organise to strangle it as though it were a virus invading the body, Britain is not allowed to believe it has a moral authority in the world, but since giving our accusor the benifit of the doubt seems to be a trait of the British, this has led to a process of self examination which I think has lasted for decades, and now we're ready to dump the baggage that has been loaded upon us in the hope that our contrition would keep us from noticing that the people of the British Isles are amoung the greatest on this planet, there fore they should stop their squabbles and reverse the stupidity that is devolution, thats pure devide and conquor suicide, the only thing we are missing is a rational code of morality explicitly laid out, we can't rely on cultural osmosis to supply us with an understanding of whats right and wrong because clearly thats not working, so when our polititions say back to basics, what the hell do they mean, more of the same, why won't they simply quit this path of moral relativism, perhaps they want a code that is infinately elastic because they want to decide whats right and wrong in their own lives and there fore lack the conviction to present a code to live by, I can completely understand why in the moral vacuum of today people are opting for codes that belong in the dark ages, but that simply won't work, we live in the information age, and as long as hilary does'nt press that reset button of her's (EMP) it will stay that way, the great thing about Objectivism is you have to acknowledge a higher power...being reality... and man's rational faculty in his dealings with reality, I think the various religions think if they can get every one accepting what they the leaders say then they can effectively invent reality as they see fit, as if god being the determiner of reality exhisted in the aggrigate being the people, by this process they can keep god in their back pockets, but reality is what it is, it won't bend to one persons will or ten billion peoples will, this simple lesson has eluded them because they have chosen such proffesions where they can never make these discoveries, insted their primacy of consciousness beliefs are reinforced and their acts at being Objective are totally false, there whole world perception is second hand, there fore reality for them is not absolute.

  Published: October 20, 2009 3:59 PM

• tom

  remote viewing is as old as sin. it's all about capturing the electro magnetic field which is emitted from the brain in the process of intergrating the sense data provided by a persons tools of perception, if an additional carrier wave is used to amplify and transport this data and decoded you can effectively see and hear what a second party is seeing and hearing, and since it's like a finger print in the sence that no two sign waves are identical it just a matter of tuning in to the unique frequency that each individual has, this process can be assisted with the addition of a halo made from a good conductor and non reactive to the body since idealy it should be placed beneath the scalp, the more turns of conductor the better, this will have the same effect as a transformer in stepping up the power level for transmission, platinum whould be a good conductor, in addition attention should be made to the shoes, if the soles are impregnated with carbon or a carbon brush is incorperated into the sole with the braded copper being exposed to the wearer foot this establishes a ground or earth connection, is the ohms are high (achievable with a variable resistor inline) then the transmission is low, and if the ohms are low transmission is high, depending on the strength of the will of the individual the method can also be used for total dominion over a person, but if you look at the myths of history it can be shown that this is nothing new, perhaps the saints of the past were under dominion hence the symbol of the halo, which could be suggestive that this person is under complete dominion from above... ie no will of their own which is deemed to be a corruption, but they neglected the feet... for optimum instruction you must complete the circuit, like marconi device, it requires a solid ground connection because people don't levitate, perhaps sky scrapers have this as a secondary function, observe the style of architecture of 1 canada square, it has superfluas outrigging at the base, could this be an attempt to increase the earth footprint of the building using the general mass of earth as a pathway for signals, but this too is nothing new, the aincient obelisks that have been distributed all over the world, and even stone henge when it was complete with stone torroid fitted upon colomns, it was probably no accident that this may have been a sacrificial location, since those doing the butchery were probably under dominion from a remote location, perhaps the washington monument was designed to peer into the windows of the white house, and theoretically this could work accross the entire expanse of the atlantic ocean the circuit made up of the atmosphere and the general mass of earth, perhaps thats why the IRA destroyed Nelsons colomn in Dublin, learning of its secondary purpose as an instrument for remote viewing, and what about the pyramids of giza, a burial chamber, seems like a bad idea to advertise where your buried so brazenly as they stuff all that treasure in there too, no more likely the stone assofagus in a place to lay in and do some astral projecting, perhaps there's something interesting beneath, an advance power source? maybe the Ark was not constructed from wood but is instead a space ship that crashed on earth and the story was adapted by the elders to encode it in an attempt to devide the understanding that is the true origin of man on earth, but if there is any truth to this nature too would probably have done the same thing, where there are large deposits of Iron typically in large mountain ranges on earth where the line of magneting flux are concentrated such as the torra borra mountaints, perhaps these are the most effective remote viewing locations since the earth itself provides the power, maybe thats why the tallyban are always a step ahead interms of intelligents,.... consider?

  Published: November 6, 2009 9:50 AM