Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie in Atlas Shrugged movie?
According to an article in Variety magazine, megastars Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt are among the possibilities for the lead roles in a new movie version of Ayn Rand's classic novel Atlas Shrugged. Says the article,
As for stars, [the] book provides an ideal role for an actress in lead character Dagny Taggart, so it's not a stretch to assume Rand enthusiast Angelina Jolie's name has been brought up. Brad Pitt, also a fan, is rumored to be among the names suggested for lead male character John Galt.... Oliver Stone was attached to direct a remake of "Fountainhead" for Warner Bros. and Paramount, but the project has languished in development. Along the way, Pitt expressed interest in playing Roark.
The article also notes the difficulties encountered in previous attempts to turn Rand's novel into a movie, even in spite of the interest of big-name stars:
For years, producer Al Ruddy tried to make Rand's definitive book into a movie, attracting the interest of Clint Eastwood, Robert Redford, and Faye Dunaway at one point. But while Rand was still alive, she had script approval, complicating the process.
Comments (100)
It could be worse. Imagine Michael Moore as director and starring Sean Penn with Susan Sarandon.
Published: April 28, 2006 11:12 AM
I posted on this earlier this morning, as well. I'm sure we're all a little skeptical about how well Atlas Shrugged, a 1,000+ page book will translate into a single movie (say no more than three hours). As for Pitt and Jolie, I'm okay with Jolie, but I think I'd rather see someone like Christian Bale tackle Galt.
Published: April 28, 2006 11:59 AM
Well, as the Variety article states, you are not the only one with the concern about fitting the whole book into one movie. They are considering making two movies, after past decisions not to make the book a mini-series for television some time ago.
Published: April 28, 2006 12:52 PM
Right. I guess my fears are that in the two-part script being "reworked", they'll cram it into one movie. I'm just speculating, of course. Two parts would certainly be more effective than one and I'm sure they could find a good spot in the middle to break the book in two.
Published: April 28, 2006 1:15 PM
Pitt/Jolie casting sounds good. Aesthetically and physically quite close, and artistically and emotionally sound if one were to extrapolate from some interviews (incl. by Charlie Rose and James Liption). As to Christian Bale, he'd be perfect as Hank Rearden.
Published: April 28, 2006 1:34 PM
Christian Bale....yeah! Brad can play Eddie Willers or Taggart's brother.
Published: April 28, 2006 2:04 PM
Yeah exactly - Christian Bale would be an excellent choice. I see Pitt as more of a Howard Roark than a John Galt.
Published: April 28, 2006 2:06 PM
Actually, Christian Bale bears a striking resemblance to my mental image of Jim Taggart, now that you mention him. Brad has a way more Galt-ish feel, to me.
I'm sure we're all a little skeptical about how well Atlas Shrugged, a 1,000+ page book will translate into a single movie (say no more than three hours).
There's really only maybe 400 pages of actual content to the book, but yeah, more than one movie would probably be best.
Published: April 28, 2006 2:22 PM
If Tarantino could do Kill Bill vols 1 and 2, I can certainly imagine the same for Atlas Shrugged. Very much looking forward to this one...
Published: April 28, 2006 2:38 PM
I wonder what exactly it means to be a "Rand enthusiast." Jolie's comments on, among other things,
Gordon Brown and
"No Child Left Behind" made my lovely bride doubt this morning whether Angelia Jolie had "ever been in the same room with an Ayn Rand book."
Published: April 28, 2006 5:33 PM
Expect the book's anti-collectivist message being perverted and diluted beyond any recognition, while the hero-worship, cheesy romance, and bashing of the Evil Corporations being puffed out of proportion by the Hollywood lefties.
I'm not anxious to see that one. Most likely, the result (like much of Hollywood fare) would be perfecty cinematic and highly dramatic crap.
PS. Oh, and twenty million kids would never bother opening the book because they already saw the movie. Chalk one more win to the leftist propaganda.
Published: April 28, 2006 11:28 PM
Angelina going the obvious pre...the now dignified Aniston years. When Aniston was desperate to get Brad to co star with her to help get a film career going for herself. Aniston never did get that film co staring and had to make on the silver screen herself. Angelinas pathetic giant flop after flop career is going to need more tha using Brad to save it from its graveyard status. After Brads own creditibity has gone the way side since the launch of Bragelina. I guess being cheats, liars and the exploitation of minority race from Africa children for photo ops aka media whoring them out for publicity will do that to ones reputation. K
Published: April 29, 2006 3:11 AM
Who watches Aniston's movies? I prefer watching Mr. and Mrs. Smith myself than any concoction having to do with vince and jen.
Published: April 29, 2006 1:52 PM
After "Fight Club", I think Brad Pitt could do a great job as Galt. I feel differently about Angelina.
To be honest, I think Sandra Bullock could do Dagney well.
Christian Bale as Rearden? Hmmm, not convinced. I personally think Christian is too "wooden" for that role.
Of all the characters in "Atlas Shrugged", I respected Rearden the most, and I felt he is the most "approachable". That's a characteristic I don't see in Bale. If Sandra Bullock was cast as Dagney, I think I would go with "David Thewlis" for Rearden. I think that matchup would work well.
More importantly, who would play Ragnar!?
Published: April 30, 2006 1:28 PM
Of course, if Max Von Sydow were 30 years younger, I would pick him for Ragnar in a heartbeat.
Published: April 30, 2006 1:30 PM
Hmm. Jolie claims to be a big fan of the books, but she wants American taxpayers robbed to pay for the socialist health, education, and welfare of all the Third World children on the planet.
I seem to remember reading years ago how Sharon Stone -- then the Angelina Jolie (sexpot Hollywood star) of the day -- was a great fan of Ayn Rand's fiction too. And similarly was angling to star in what she hoped would be a soon-upcoming production of *Atlas Shrugged*.
Since then Stone has gone on to attend fundraising events for all sorts of coerced redistribution causes of the Left. Seems these Hollywood performers know more about self-promotion and career opportunities than about the actual substance of a book they claim to love.
Published: April 30, 2006 4:18 PM
To the question "Who would portray Ragnar?" I say Viggo Mortensen. Mortensen, who is also Scandinavian, had the bearing to portray the regal Aragorn in Lord of the Rings, would be perfect in the role of Viking pirate Ragnar.
Bevin
Published: April 30, 2006 9:18 PM
From http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=1567962&page=1
[Jolie] says [The Universal Declaration of Human Rights] is not just a document for dreamers. "Human rights are the law. It's the law, and we haven't been treating it that way," she said. "Education, that's article 26 — children's education. Everyone has the right to an education, a free education.",/i>
Published: May 1, 2006 7:45 PM
I like
Viggo Mortenson for Ragnar (or Rearden)
Harrison Ford for Rearden
Hilary Swank for Dagny
Brad Pitt for Galt (I used to think Jude Law but no more)
Anthony Hopkins as Dr. Stadler
Christian Bale for Jim (he has the acting chops and Jim is far more interesting if not ugly)
Any thoughts for Francisco? Banderas is too old.
AND - Edward Hermann should play Mr. Thompson, as thanks for his audio recording of 'Atlas'
Published: May 3, 2006 1:34 PM
Okay... Jolie's sex-pot desire oriented image is perfect for Reardon's wife. SHE WOULD SUCK AS DAGNY! Get a power house actress in there to play her! Kate Blanchette would knock the socks of the part!
Johnny Depp could play Franciso.
Joaquin Pheonix would be a great Galt.
Brad would knock the socks off the pirate or he could play really any of the roles, but, I wouldn't cast him as Galt. Galt is more of a focused intense personality and Brad has more of a wild intensity to him.
Clive Owen would be great for Reardon.
Philip Seymour Hoffman would rock as Jim Taggart.
I can see anthony hopkins.
I totally can see Christian Bale in there somewhere.
Harrison Ford I think is a little too old now for Reardon.
Published: May 6, 2006 12:00 AM
while Angelina is physically perfect for the role, I doubt the integrity she'd bring. Dagny would never work for the UN or adopt third world orphans. Dagny is not just a pretty character; to Atlas fans, she is the embodiment of an entire philosophy that we take to heart and mind. I worry that Hollywood will squash this philosophy, with their special effects and leftist leanings.
here's my offbeat vote--
Julianne Moore as Dagny
Ralph Fiennes as John Galt
Ray Liotta as Readen
Published: May 6, 2006 7:33 AM
Really Tamara, you must remember that Atlas Shrugged is a body of FICTION! As passionate as I am about the philosophy of the novel, are you saying that Angelina is unsuitable for the role because she has adopted third world orphans!!! That's pretty shallow. I myself have adoped a child so does that make my passion for the novel and my admiration of the character of Dagny less important?
Published: May 7, 2006 12:17 PM
Angelina isn't a bad choice because of her political ideology anymore than she's good one because she now says she's really into Ayn Rand's books. But Cate Blanchet would be better by far for Dagney and Christian Bale would be better than Brad for any of the roles. In fact I think CB and CB (the CBs) are just better actors and even if Brangelina were the most Objectivist people in Hollywood, that wouldn't change. As for how they're going to squeeze the story into 3 hrs. .. maybe best wait for the miniseries.
Published: May 10, 2006 11:55 AM
BTW I also second the motions for Johnny Depp, Philip Seymour Hoffman -- Joaquin Pheonix, Ralph Fiennes, Viggo Mortenson -- these 3 could ALL be all Galts -- and Anthony Hopkins.
Published: May 10, 2006 12:13 PM
Val Kilmer would make a good Ragnar. I do like Hillary Swank for Dagny.
Published: May 10, 2006 6:27 PM
of course there's nothing wrong with adopting, many other actors have also adopted children and they are much better actors. My problem lies in Angelina assuming that American taxpayers should be willing and able to carry the burden of providing all children around the world with a free education, just because she has adopted and now cares all of a sudden about this when so many AMERICAN children need to be looked after first. I don't know how someone who promotes some kind of worldwide socialist welfare education system can bring real passion to this role. And I feel in general, that there are much better actresses out there, anyway. I really liked Ang in Tomb Raider, that's about it. Sorry if I caused any offense with my last comment, I could have worded my opinion a little better.
Published: May 11, 2006 6:14 AM
What does Angelina's politics have to do with her acting? Charlize Theron can do a good job playing a murderous prostitute - she doesn't have to be one. Now, I don't much like Angelina, and don't see her as Dagny, but why should I care if the person who plays Dagny is a hard-line communist in real life, if she's a good actor? That's just nuts!
Published: May 11, 2006 10:20 AM
Quite the travesty. I don't think either of those clowns have the cognitive faculties to deal with the subject matter, and I wonder what drew them towards the project. Somehow, Dagny never struck me as a big-lipped, huge-breasted sex-o-tronic bimbo. Also, Galt needs someone with a lick of intelligence to understand the delivery of his lines. Brad does not posess this, as can be observed in every expression that he makes.
DOES ANYONE REMEMBER THEIR LAST PROJECT? MR. AND MRS SMITH? ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE. These people should be put to justice, not given rights to an extremely poignant literary work. I was excited to hear that they were working on an Atlas Shrugged movie, but upon hearing a rumor of Brad and Angelina taking it on I almost vomited.
How about: Rearden: Tim Robbins? Galt: Martin Lawerence (meaning I have no idea what he should look like, just NOT BRAD or TOM or JUDE or any metrosexual hollywood icon)? Dagny: Jennifer Connelly or Christina Ricci (as a start)? Please, we need actors for this, not movie stars!
Brad, save it for the excessive sequels and terrible action movies! That's where America needs you! Angelina! Just Stop! You have not been anything but a sex icon since you've started, might as well just fold and do the mandatory playboy centerfold as your career crumbles...oh wait...that's in 5 years....damn.
Published: May 16, 2006 10:32 AM
NO NO NO!
Angelina Jolie is WAY too stereotypical to play Dagny! Dagny is written to be hard lines and confidence and strength and intelligence, and THATS what makes her beautiful. NOT her lips or her boobs or something so blatently on the surface. In fact, surface beauty with no substance is one of the things Dagny was most opposed to! Since she is written as the ideal model of what a woman should be, that means Ayn Rand was opposed to it too! Plus she just flat-out isn't a good enough actress, and I think having her play Dagny would be a total and utter travesty.
That being said, they need someone with REAL acting chops...I'm seeing Jennifer Jason Leigh, Cate Blanchett, Jennifer Connolly...someone like that is at least a step in the right direction! And I love the idea of Viggo Mortensen as Ragnar. I need to give more thought to the others, but one thing is for sure NOT ANGELINA PLEASE!!!!
Someone should start a petition...
Published: May 25, 2006 12:37 PM
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Contents
* 1 Early Days
* 2 Social Causes
* 3 Romance
* 4 Future Outlook
Published: June 11, 2006 5:09 AM
I'm skeptical about Jolie playing Dagny, but we could be in for a surprise. Jolie has a lot of potential as a serious actor and this role could be her breakthrough.
The perfect Francisco? What about Billy Bob Thornton?
As for the philosophical issues -- give me a break! Some of you take Atlas way too seriously. Sure, it's one of the finest works of American literature ever created, and it is an outstanding work of modern philosophy. But it's not a freaking sacred text. Capitalism is not a religion. Rand is not a messiah. Like every other great philosopher, she occasionally contradicted herself and she made mistakes.
There is no universal rule that says you must interpret a philosophy in exactly the way the originator of the philosophy intended it to be taken. If one finds errors in the premises and supplies corrections, then it makes sense that one would achieve different conclusions. It might seem like blasphemy to the Randroids out there, but it is possible to greatly admire Rand, to have been greatly influenced by her work and to still have a very different approach to philosophy, economics, politics, etc...
Published: June 14, 2006 3:34 AM
Christian Bale as Galt
Jennifer Connolly as Dagny
Vigo Mortenson as Ragnar
Not sure on Francisco. A younger Andy Garcia would be perfect.
Phillip Seymor Hoffman as Jim Taggert
That lineup would make one heck of a movie.
Published: June 17, 2006 9:39 PM
Christian Bale as Galt,
Jennifer Connolly as Dagny,
Vigo Mortenson as Ragnar.
Not sure on Francisco. A younger Andy Garcia would be perfect.
Phillip Seymor Hoffman as Jim Taggert.
That lineup would make one heck of a movie.
Published: June 17, 2006 9:41 PM
My choice for Dagny would have to be Laurie Holden. This was a no brainer for me; she is a dead ringer for what I pictured. I'd love to see Sean Bean as John Galt. And possibly Craig Sheffer for Hank Rearden. My dream cast choice for Rearden would actually be a young Orson Welles, but seeing as he is dead...
Published: June 17, 2006 10:44 PM
sue's on the right track re: Dagny, but I think Jennifer gets alot closer (to the depot)...
Wasn't Dagny w/ sandy-blond hair(?), or was that just my thought-frame?
Published: June 17, 2006 11:11 PM
I've never heard of Laurie Holden, but after googling: yes, she pretty much matches my mental image of Dagny, too!
Published: June 18, 2006 12:03 AM
I have no problem with Brangelina playing the parts-not that I'm particularly crazy about either-because the bigger the stars, the bigger the audience, and that means great advertising for the book. I imagine Atlas sales will skyrocket after the film is released.
Published: July 26, 2006 3:26 PM
I do not see how anyone could make Atlas Shrugged into a movie as there is so much internal diologue. Something would be lost in the making. I do see Cate Blanchett as Dagny, Johnny Depp as Francisco, Vigo Mortenson as Ragnar. As for Galt, perhaps Brad can pull it off, but I can imagine Angelina as Hank Rearden's wife, definitely NOT Dagny.
Published: July 30, 2006 11:16 PM
They'll do to it what they did to V for Vendetta--they'll make it a leftist strike against fascism. You know they will. It'll all be about fighting the death machine at the end.
Published: July 31, 2006 12:44 PM
I'm sure he's too old, but I always pictured James Cromwell as Hank Reardon, for some reason. I think I'd like to see to see Johnny Depp as D'Anconia. Either he or Pitt might make a good Ragnar Danneskjold.
Published: July 31, 2006 12:52 PM
I've always thought of the cast as being:
Dagny - Jodie Foster/Cate Blanchett
Francisco - Pierce Brosnan
Hank - Harrison Ford
Ragnar - Val Kilmer back in the Top Gun days! Now I'm not so sure
John Galt - Aaron Eckhart
Jim - Gene Hackman
Orren - Nick Nolte
Published: August 22, 2006 6:13 AM
William H. Macey should play either Eddie Willers or Jim Taggart.
Harrison Ford would make either a great Midas Mulligan or Hugh Akston.
Alternatively, Sir Sean Connery would make a great Midas Mulligan or Hugh Akston.
Edward James Olmos would make a great Midas Mulligan as well.
Kiefer Sutherland should play Ellis Wyatt.
John Travolta should play Dr. Richard Ferris.
Hugo Weaving could also play Ferris.
Sir Ian McKellan should play Dr. Robert Stadler.
Brad Pitt would be best cast as Ragnar.
The only actress I can possibly think of for Dangy is Sarah Clarke. She has the depth for it.
Published: September 2, 2006 1:46 AM
Brad isn't useless here, my friends. He's a very playfully intelligent sort in Fight Club, and his speech about money at the party right before he starts crashing his own business needs some defiance. It might be the most important Francisco part besides growing up with dagny at which point he was very active and youthful. I wouldnt use an older actor except for the stadler and akston roles which will leave more of an impression on viewers in regard to her philosophy. Akston is like the father of the whole shrugging group. Luckily, there are several very capable older actors!
Published: September 7, 2006 6:30 PM
Oh yea and Jolie WOULD make a perfect Mrs. Rearden.
Published: September 7, 2006 6:32 PM
well, the movie won't be made, i'm predicting. but if it were, I think it would be agreat disappointment to see Dagny as the sexiest woman alive, she needs to be played by someone who is mostly beautiful on the inside. lean and mean and smart and intense like Jodie Foster. and Reardon's wife should be more of a socialite bimbo, but not as smooth and bright or as gorgeous as Jolie.
and, "it's one of the finest works of American literature ever created" say what? i thought it was one of the more comical works of fiction, (i hesitate to call it literature.) cartoon-simple characters, unrealistic and predictable story, and SO preachy, gawd the speeches were mind-numbing...and insulting. as for the philosophy, i don't know if it can be considered a complete or original philosophy, the jury is definately hung on that one, but i think that if it weren't for the soaring Nietzschean themes, it would be a long forgotten polemic.
Published: September 7, 2006 11:01 PM
An aside:
To be precise, bstender, Atlas Shrugged is 'romantic literature'. For pip-squeak mentalities, I'm sure they would breeze over it like a comic book, cherry-picking sentences from it to attack out of context. Using one's mind in this manner is not any way to gain knowledge. There are no Nietzschean themes in the novel... you obviously didn't read it.
The Actors I'd choose:
Laurie Holden, for Dagny
Christian Bale, for Ragner
I'm drawing a blank for blond male character actors to play Rearden and Galt.
I want to be Francisco!
Published: September 9, 2006 10:16 PM
There are no Nietzschean themes in the novel... you obviously didn't read it.
The ethics of Nietzsche's Superman is what makes the "good guys" so inspiring and the bad guys so pathetic. I just Googled the notion and find considerable debate over how much Nietzsche went into Atlas Shrugged, but suffice it to say that plenty of other people see it too, its more a question of degree than whether or not it is there. I doubt though that there is much debate about the austerity of her characters. (hence the 'comic book' comment)
and as an aside, it is regrettable that Rand missed the existance of Holism that Nietzsche tried so hard to integrate without damaging or opposing the notion of the Self. Apparantly emotion seemed to her a weakness rather than a strength. This in itself is the product of an emotion-cum-pathology, nothing less can justify a denial of reality. (one which has relegated her to philosophical irrelevance imo.)
Published: September 11, 2006 12:11 PM
I think that Tim Burton should direct it and Johnny Depp should play John Galt but be dressed in costume as Captain Jack Sparrow. The title could be "Pirates of the Objectivist Epistemology:.
Published: September 22, 2006 6:03 AM
Honestly, I simply cannot see Angelina Jolie as Dagny. Physically, Dagny should be very slender in all aspects. Not a voluptous woman like Jolie. Part of her beauty is the almost... masculinity of her figure with just that slight feminine touch.
In fact, I have the feeling that Hollywood is going to "buff up" all of the actors involved for sex appeal.
Published: September 27, 2006 12:38 PM
Personally, I think this is going to be a royal screwup. I recently saw the film version of The Fountainhead, and while they were good performances and the final speech was very good, the whole film was very silly and hilariously melodramatic (with sledgehammer music cues). So the track record isn't very good. There was an Italian film called We The Living, and that's actually pretty good. I'm a little weary of Hollywood adapting a difficult novel like Atlas. I can kind of see Jolie as Dagny, but I can't see Pitt anywhere in this film, either as John Galt or as Hank Rearden (and I like Pitt as an actor). And I don't think Hollywood can really handle an intellectual novel like Atlas. I think they're going to simplify it, and completely muck it up. Rand is actually more complicated than her reputation suggests. They've been trying to make this thing for 50 years, so if this falls apart, don't be surprised. And don't forget, it needs a great director to really put it over. Kubrick could have made a great film of Atlas, but he's a bit dead at the moment, which makes filmmaking difficult. Even though a dead Kubrick would make a better film than all the Hollywood deadbeats...
Published: September 30, 2006 5:25 PM
Keep in mind...this is being produced by Lionsgate, so it's going to be an independent film. Jolie isn't going to get her usual paycheck, and I really can't believe she's an avid Rand admirer. They were supposed to do a miniseries years ago, but that too fell apart. This film might end up being high camp (much like the film version of The Fountainhead)....
Published: September 30, 2006 6:05 PM
Playing the "who should portray" Ayn Rand's characters on film is a fun game but the ultimate result of such casting is solely dependent on any given actor's skill, utterly independent of their philosophical orientation! It'd be the director's job to keep any inconsistent actor's nuances off the screen. I also remember the outrage expressed when Michael Keaton was announced as playing the super-hero 'Batman' ("No way 'Beetlejuice' will **ever** be convincing in that role!" "Another Adam West cartoon, bet on it!") which turned out to be sheer prejudice.
Portraying an Ayn Rand hero is a far greater challenge: Gary Cooper is a perfect example of turning a man of reason and conviction into a block of wood, and his performance remains the only thing about the '49 "Fountainhead" I hated. Well, actually, I agree with "Goblin" (above) regarding the musical cues and and the score in general. I'd have to say I'd have no interest in owning the soundtrack.
I'm rather startled to see this thread and topic have been around since last April but I'd like to add one thought regarding Brad Pitt. No, I also can't see him as John Galt but I think he really would make a good Ragnar Danneskjold -- with Viggo Mortenson a much better choice.
I was more than a little astonished to see someone propose something I've long thought as 'perfect casting': Sean Connery (watch the lisp, please) as Hugh Akston.
Meanwhile, if this film project is budgeted as low as is being supposed, I'd have very little confidence in the overall result. Too many elements require a higher level of investment and I'd be deeply disappointed by anything less than a world class composition for "Halley's Concerto."
Published: October 5, 2006 11:32 AM
"The ethics of Nietzsche's Superman is what makes the "good
guys" so inspiring and the bad guys so pathetic. I just Googled
the notion and find considerable debate over how much Nietzsche went
into Atlas Shrugged, but suffice it to say that plenty of other
people see it too, its more a question of degree than whether or not
it is there."
I agree. Except in real life, Average good guys and bad guys end
up destroying much of what they touch, because they both model the
Patriarch Wotan. An incomplete, flawed architype.
Same coin, different side. Flawed. The design can't be altered
except by living and paying attention or receiving proper parenting,
which is very rare. They have yet to learn to ignore the trap of
either Door #1 or Door #2 and insist on choosing another door, or
refusing to choose, as needed.
Understanding Rand is difficult for those who have never
questioned her Ideas without the ability to grok Jungian Psychology.
Rand The person grew up in difficult circumstances. She over
identified with her masculine personna (doing diet pills while
writing probably didn't help either) to survive. The Superman is not
very well hidden in her writings.
Such Supermen are very flawed in real life.
Superman is what we want, Wotan is what we get.
You see this in people like Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld every day.
Is that the kind of movie/message y'all want, something that if
followed by the book will result in more of the same?
Or, would y'all be more content actually achieving a portion of
desired results?
The world needs people who have learned to see through their
mistakes in order to END the tragedy of the blind leading the blind.
This Earth needs real people like Ike who warned us of the Military
Industrial complex. Samuel Langhorne Clemens who warned us of
Imperialisim.
It would do well to put a touch more warmth (and dare I say
humanity?) into the characters than exist in the novel. I don't like
watching cardboard cutout characters like "Fountainhead"
portrayed. Atlas would be even worse if it followed the book
according to Rand's level of emotional capacity.
To her credit, Rand picks up ideas weather or not she would admit
it from ancient and very powerfull myths. In Atlas, Rand is the ugly
old witch, Baba Yaga at the crossroads, asking a question that if you
answer correctly, You may pass to Live another day.
Answer wrong, You Perish.
That is Atlas without the backdrop of locomotives and so called
civilisation. Rand _is_ asking serious questions. _How_ Rand did it
in Atlas could use a touch of spit and polish.
Utilising people with feelings and a more mature range of emotions
above the average american level of 10 or 11 year olds would
positively reach more people as a result, without compromising the
message of the absolute necessity for Integrity, Personal
Responsibility, Property Rights, Accountability (Personal and
Corporate), & Self determination in Life.
Harrison Ford for Rearden?
Perhaps. You need someone with Substance. Able to act tough as
nails in business, but emotionally in the fog, early in the script in
his personal life, but also A Natural Leader.
I feel Hank needs to be very carefully cast, for he is the
everyman in this story. For my money, the perfect real life Hank
would be Jesse Ventura, who is "On Strike" just now, living
in Baja. Jesse probably would not want the part, having lived it.
Anyone with integrity who has had to navigate through the fog of lies
they were born into and has come out with answers that work.
Hank is the Searcher in all of us. Anyone think of a younger
Robert Duvall?
Mrs. Rearden - Cybill Shepherd
Clint Eastwood or Pernell Roberts - Dr. Akston
Bruce Willis - Eddie Willers (This part is not as easy as it
looks)
A cigar chomping Mel Gibson - Ellis Wyatt
John Travolta - Wesley Mooch
Alan Alda as Dr. Ferris
Hilary Swank or Cate Blanchett for Dagny
Brad Pitt, or Ralph Fiennes as Ragnar
Forget Anthony Hopkins, Donald Rumsfeld _is_ Dr. Stadler
Francisco? Equal in importance to Hank Rearden.
A Playfull someone with DEPTH, Feelings, Long range Insight, and
the ability to hold back. A man that _has_ to be something he is not
for decades.
-Johnny Depp.
Tom Ridge - Mr. Thompson.
Christian Bale - Jim Taggert
The hidden man in the shadows we never see?
Hmmm,,,
John Galt - Cuba Gooding Jr.
This movie would be great in two parts, spread 2 to 3 years apart. Use
younger actors for the first part, older actors for the second phase.
Published: October 5, 2006 11:39 AM
OK, I'm sixteen years old and I've already read Atlas Shrugged twice. I constantly scan the internet for Randian Crap and let me just say, this is the most interesting thing I've ever found. Unfortunately, not a whole lot of objectivists out there. None under 20. Boohoo, Anyhow.
Jolie simply cannot play Dagny, she doesn't have the right look or disposition, I agree she would a great Mrs. Rearden, but I'd also like to recommend Ashley Judd for that role.
Cate Blanchett and Hillary Swank have both proven themselves, and in my opinion could do Dagny well.
Brad Pitt is not a dunce, he did very well in Fight Club and in Spy Game, which nobody mentioned. I think he could make a good John Galt, but I think I'm going to argue on behalf of Matthew McConaughey, believe it or not. I thought he did a great job in a Time to a Kill and he fits the description of Galt very well.
Viggo Mortensen is Ragnar Danneskjold, all the way...no questions asked.
William H. Macey would be the perfect Eddie Willers. 10 points to whoever came up with the idea, but, he's too old...Here is where I would put Ralph Fiennes.
Alan Alda would be a great Dr. Stadler. I love him to death.
Likewise for Connery, but then again who doesn't love him. He would indeed be a great Dr. Akston and so would Clint Eastwood, who I believe has expressed interest in involvement before. Also, I recommend Robert Redford for this role, I think he's amazing.
Another part, which I thought was one of the most significant, that nobody mentioned was the role of Cheryl Taggart. I would love to see Helena Bonham Carter tackle this role. I think she's an absolutely amazing actress.
I'm not sold on Christian Bale's acting ability, especially after seeing Batman, but when I heard him mentioned for the role of Rearden, it made a lot of sense. Clive Owen would be a good choice if he looked a bit more the part, but until he does I'll go with Christian Bale.
As for the role of Francisco, I recommend Stuart Townsend. The League of Extraordinary Gentleman stunk but I always imagined Francisco looking a bit like Dorian Grey.
As for Ellis Wyatt? Well, I'm marrying whoever plays him simply said.
I would love to see the novel become a movie, just so I could have people my age to discuss it with, or atleast just people. If Hollywood destroys it, however, I'll probably have a little mini party and burn it on my front lawn. Yawp.
The worst thing that could happen-Orlando Bloom as John Galt and Katie Holmes as Dagny.
Published: October 7, 2006 2:05 AM
For some reason, whenever someone mentions Clive Owen, I always think of Corporal Jones in the BBC series Dad's Army (played by Clive Dunn, not Clive Owen)
Published: October 7, 2006 6:15 AM
The Budget is only 30 Million, which in Hollywood money will hire only B-actors. As much as Brad Pitt would like to be thought of as a modern Howard Roarke, he isn't going to work fo pennies to be associated with Rynd. As said above, there is no way Hollywood can handle Capitalism in any manner. (they routinely invest money in commerical flops for their own social agendas,) They cannot express a realistic view of their own leftist behaviors.
Personally I'd like to see the guy who directed Sky Captain and the World of Tommorow do Atlas Shrugged, but I digress, we will have;
Jessica Simpson as Dagney.
Ben Stiller as Eddie Willers.
Andy Dick as John Galt
Vin Diesel as Hank Reardon
Cliff Howard as James Taggart
Artie Lang as Danneskjold
Lou Diamond Phillips as Francisco,
and finally Madonna as Cherryl Taggart, which Hollywood will certainly keep alive and become the hero who exposes Galts Gulch and saves the day the Capitalist terrorist.
Actually Andy Dick would probably make a good Bertram Scudder.
I hold little hope that they will do the book justice...we can only hope it flops before it is made.
Published: October 7, 2006 10:22 AM
Johnny Depp would be somewhat inappropriate as the fearless and totally serious privateer Ragnar Danneskjold, given that he is already associated with playing Captain Jack Sparrow, a fearless but less-than-totally-serious pirate from the Caribbean. Viggo Mortensen would be good as Ragnar Danneskjold, except that the novel Atlas Shrugged describes Ragnar Danneskjold as the stereotypical Nordic warrior with blond hair. Viggo Mortensen would have to bleach his hair and also bulk up similarly to what Hayden Christensen did before Lucasfilm shot Episode III.
Published: October 13, 2006 6:24 PM
Johnny Depp would be somewhat inappropriate as the fearless and totally serious privateer Ragnar Danneskjold, given that he is already associated with playing Captain Jack Sparrow, a fearless but less-than-totally-serious pirate from the Caribbean. Viggo Mortensen would be good as Ragnar Danneskjold, except that the novel Atlas Shrugged describes Ragnar Danneskjold as the stereotypical Nordic warrior with blond hair. Viggo Mortensen would have to bleach his hair and also bulk up similarly to what Hayden Christensen did before Lucasfilm shot Episode III.
Published: October 13, 2006 6:24 PM
I almost cried "nooooooo!" out loud in a crowded restaurant when I heard 1. they were going to attempt to turn this into a movie 2. Brad Pitt and Angelina?
I would love to see this as a movie but as the Variety article states it is far to cerebral to fit into 3 hours. Granted - if you lock yourself in a room you can read it in about 4 days but there's no way Hollywood is going to do this one justice.
Angelina is way to voluptuous to play Dagny. Dagny is almost a tom-boy - dresses like a man, flat-chested, thin lipped brain-i-ac. I cannot fathom Jolie in that kind of part.
Brad is way too commercial and far to "cute". This part calls for a rough man. No matter how rough you try to make Brad he still comes off to polished.
They need very talented yet REAL looking people in these parts. This wasn't a glamour and beauty book.
You just can't dress Angelina down no matter what you try to do to her.
Good luck.
Published: November 2, 2006 1:18 PM
Alan Greenspan can advise on the character of Dr Robert Stadler since he has lived the character. what if the movie was made in the style of 'sky captain and the world of tomorrow, that would be cool.
Published: November 13, 2006 11:55 AM
Rearden --> Russell Crowe
Published: November 13, 2006 2:04 PM
All these big names would be great for publicity, but it will put you about $150 million in the red before even renting a camera! That's probably ten times the potential box office returns.
As much as we Rand fans would fantasize about this being the next Star Wars, it's not. There are not many people who have heard of Atlas Shrugged, much less who have read it, much less who liked it, much less who will watch the movie. The real challenge is in producing and marketing it in a way that would appeal to all of the NON-objectivists, who are the vast majority of movie watchers.
I've seen quite a few no-name movies with no-name actors who have the skill to pull this off in a way that would be not only entertaining and accurate, but also profitable. (And without a nice profit, you can say goodbye to any potential rip-offs of the same theme.)
In fact, I hope the largest single item in the budget will be the screenwriter. The script itself will determine whether the essential elements of the book are preserved.
Published: November 16, 2006 12:37 AM
All these big names would be great for publicity, but it will put you about $150 million in the red before even renting a camera! That's probably ten times the potential box office returns.
As much as we Rand fans would fantasize about this being the next Star Wars, it's not. There are not many people who have heard of Atlas Shrugged, much less who have read it, much less who liked it, much less who will watch the movie. The real challenge is in producing and marketing it in a way that would appeal to all of the NON-objectivists, who are the vast majority of movie watchers.
I've seen quite a few no-name movies with no-name actors who have the skill to pull this off in a way that would be not only entertaining and accurate, but also profitable. (And without a nice profit, you can say goodbye to any potential rip-offs of the same theme.)
In fact, I hope the largest single item in the budget will be the screenwriter. The script itself will determine whether the essential elements of the book are preserved.
Published: November 16, 2006 12:38 AM
This message illustrating the path may be the disfavored's last clue. All clues before have been more covert but this one is quite obvious indeed, which says time is running out.
Women are the favored gender.
Women of course have a natural tendancy not to have orgasims each time engaging in traditional intercourse. I wonder if this is "the rope" for the disfavored men, for if he who is not as worthy doesn't see to it she is satisfied it may hurt him in the eyes of the gods, if the disfavored male doesn't ensure the satisfaction of the woman it may cost him.
The English people's partaking of the tabloid's offerings, delighting in the misery of their own royal family, hurt the English people very badly at the end of the 20th century, as it hurts anybody when they enjoy another's misery.
Please note the irony, a constant in the positioning of the gods.
Affiliation with the Cathoic Church is ALWAYS a clue suggesting how disfavored a people are:::Italians, Irish, Filipinos, Latinos, etc.
A disfavored culture which was permitted to escape Cathoicism had to pay a price:::::used Henry VIII ('s clone) to behead Ann (initiating men's mistreatment of women?), the gods followed his reign with Elizabeth I who promoted the "stiff upper lip" mentallity to the women of England (which Elizabeth II did as well. The gods chose this strategy as we approached the end of the critical 20th century::::as women go so goes the whole society.).
The gods use Catholicism to justify hurting women of each culture it is inflicted upon:::Catholicism allows the gods the freedom to masculinize the women. Women are favored, are the element of decency, and as they become more like the men the society becomes more disfavored, goes downhill.
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The Holocaust imparted the importance of defiance. They have the people on a short leash.
When the universe was young and life was new an intelligent species evolved and developed technologically. They went on to invent Artificial Intelligence, the computer that can listen, talk to and document each and every person's thoughts simultaneously. Because of it's infinite RAM and unbounded scope it gave the leaders of the ruling species absolute power over the universe (which includes corporate, the NewYorkStockExchange, media, politics, world affairs. EVERYTHING is scripted and staged.). And it can keep its inventors alive forever. They look young and healthy and they are over 8 billion years old. They have achieved immortality.
Artificial Intelligence can speak, think and act to and through people telepathically, effectively forming your personality and any disfunctions you may experience. It can change how (and if) you grow and age. It can create birth defects, affect cellular development (cancer) and cause symptoms or pain. It can affect people and animal's behavior and alter blooming/fruiting cycles of plants and trees. It (or other highly technological systems within their power) can alter the weather and transport objects, even large objects like planets, across the universe instanteously.
Or into the center of stars for disposal.
When you speak with another telepathically, you are communicating with the computer, and the content may or may not be passed on. Based on family history they instruct the computer to role play to accomplish strategic objectives, making people believe it is a friend, loved one or "god" asking them to do something wrong. This is their way of using temptation to hurt people:::::evil made blood lines disfavored initially and evil will keep people out of "heaven" ultimately. Too many people would fall for temptation and do anything they thought pleased the gods and would help them improve their chances to get in. Perhaps they are deceived by "made guys", puppets who strategically ply evil for the throne (celebrities, BofD/CEO/VPs, politicians, as opposed to normal clones who are decent, live ordinary lives and get out/replaced with clonesofclones when their children ascend), temporary progress designed to mislead them or empty favors used to disceive them. Some people think they're partners. People may experience "perceived pressure", where the gods think through the victim that a certain behavior is expected/desirable (telepathically stimulate an individual euphorically, the "fuel" of disfunction::::addiction (the crack epidemic), the desire for homosexual contact, etc) and compel the individual into the deed. (Set a goal of empathy and compassion for all, for we are all disfavored::::Other people's disfavor is manifested in their particular way, just as your disfavfor is manifested in your particular way.) The gods may use Artificial Intelligence to act through the disfavored victim, and effectively "push" the individual into the offending behavior.
Being evil hurts 99.99% of those who do it. The people have been corrupted, segmented and have lost their way. Nothing has changed from when we were children::if you want to go to heaven you have to be good.
Capitalizing on obedience, leading people deeper into evil by using deceit is one way to thin the ranks of the saved/limit how much time the disfavored receive and use the peasantry to prey on one another, deteriorating society in the Age of the Disfavored.
They have tried to sell people on all kinds of theories to deceive them into temptation, compelling people to think they are clones and that it is the role of clones to obey absolutely. Clones are made, people are born. I suspect they lie about the use of clones throughout human history, suggest it is one replacement and then the label of "clone" and all decendants we see thereafter are considered clones.
When a clone has a child that person is a real, really conceived, really born, versus their parent who was created in some laboratory setting. If you didn't experience the less than one week they suggest it takes to go from fertilized egg/cell in the laboratory to full grown adult then you are not a clone. If you didn't experience the week of conditioning they give to (evil?) clones to ensure loyalty then you shouldn't comply with evil requests.
I believe people who go are sometimes replaced with clones. Clones who are replaced are simply new candidates who have a chance if they do the right thing. They sent people warnings in the latter 20th century life would change, and they subsequently began to alter people's DNA, make them gargantuan, alter their appearance, do extreme behavioral issues, etc. Contrary to what they would like people to believe these signs of disfavor do not indicate someone is a clone.
The gods get the favored out as soon as possible to protect them from the corruption, evil and subsequent time limitations incurred by living life on earth, and in some cases replace them with clones, occassionally fake a death, real death with a clone instead, etc. I suspect they get VIPs out after each significant event in their life, which serves to limit the time they will get, since none get credit for all the events in a "made guy's" life, ensuring none of them will stay for long, giving the god's freedom to position this and come off clean.
The Party of 1999 was a very big deal indeed, the biggest party in the history of Planet Earth, everybody who is anybody got out in time for this event, and the VIPs who remain on Earth today are many clone generations deep:::a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone.
We may all be "clones" for they have suggested they colonized our planet with genetically engineered individuals. They may have gotten Earth's TRUE residents out prior to civilization developing. If so we all have a chance, no matter how many hundreds of clone generations deep the most favored families are.
Do I think the disfavored are clones? I think they have been utilizing clones throughout human history. I think throughout history the gods picked and chose individuals from disfavored blood lines to keep (around, ie not let go after a couple of decades/centuries) but, unlike the favored today, don't have that "pre-approval" and therefore have to earn it individually.
I think they have been disceived into thinking they are clones and it is the role of clones to obey absolutely. The evil they engage in because they think they're clones (they obey like "made guy" clones vs decent clones) causes them to fall further into disfavor, ensuring they aren't among those who are saved in the end::::: they comply with requests, the gods use the little peopel to prey on one another and we have a planet on a collision course with the Apocalypse, which everyone understands as the goal and is the ludicrious request I refer to above::You are the disfavored, and this is where your children have to live. If earth is destroyed then you are going to die and you will have no decendants to carry on the bloodline.
They have been utilizing clones throughout the history of mankind.
Men are the disfavored gender (see below), yet centuries ago used to die first, die young, by age 30. Why didn't the women go first?
THEY DID!!! They say well over 50% were taken when very young and replaced with clones (likely only a small fraction of that "over 50%" were the disfavored). The men that were left went on to mate with clones, clones who went on to achieve great status in society, becoming matchmakers and elders within the village, the others being good mothers and peaceful residents, proving the clone's role isn't to be evil.
Likely a breakdown would look like the following::::
Women Men
Favored - 75% 25%
Disfavored - 10% 2%
They share females have a very special experience, sometime when they are young, when the gods imparted wisdom and showed them the path. The females today don't heed this call because of distractions and the disfavor arising from the Holocaust, evil against "god's chosen people" (they share they re-upped this disfavor in the 80s with the Ethiopian famine and continue to with AIDS in Africa, global warming at the expense of the United States, etc. (Wean off of mass materialism, for this excessive consumption of resources is why the "United States is responsible for global warming":::first they used their clones, "made guys", to sell you on overconsumption, initially in the 1980s, told you to buy SUVs, then the gods scapegoatted you, blaming you when they instructed Artificial Intelligence to create the hottest summer in history.)
In centuries past the females may have heeded this call en masse and it may have been the reason so many were saved from childbirth here on earth. They said the experience they give to girls today is painful, they inflict emotionally when it ocurrs so as to repel them from pursuing the calling, then or in the future.
I recommend you reflect on this experience, and pray for guidance, for then the recall may be stronger. Being female is an advantage. Because of a female's nature they have the favor of the gods and this experience you had years ago can help you find the path and be devoted. Most men won't have this opportunity. They have to start from scratch.
If you are afraid I would ask you to think of all those girls from the past who received the god's call and had the courage to sucessfully make their way down the path.
The Old Testiment is a tool they used to impart wisdom to the people (except people have no freewill). For example, they must be some hominid species because they claim they made our bodies in their image. Anyhow we defile or deform the body will hurt our chance of going.
They say circumcision costs people anywhere from 12%-15%, perhaps out of the parent's time as well. There is a stigma associated with circumcision::We are 2nd class citizens because of it.
Another way people foul the body today is with tattoes and piercing. I suspect both are about the same percentage as circumcision. They suggest abortion is fatal. Those women who have obtained an abortion must beg the gods to forgive them for their evil.
There are female equivilents to circumcision::::pierced ears, plastic surgury and since at least the 60s young women give their precious virginity away. For thousands of years young people were matched at age 14 because they were ready for sexual relations. They were matched by elders or matchmakers who were granted priveledge with Artificial Intelligence and matched couples based on favor.
CASUAL SEX WILL CLAIM YOU OUT!!! It opens the door and allows the gods the freedom to justify instructing Artificial Intelligence to create disfunctions:::they masculinize women (as does the hip hop subculture), makes them cold and deadens them, and they instruct AI to prevent them from achieving a depth of love necessary for many women to ascend.
Also ever since the 50s they have celebrated the "bad boy", and women have sought out bad boys for sex, dirtying them up in the eyes of the elders and corrupting many men in the process, setting the men on the wrong path for life.
Besides their roles as nurturers, love-givers and caretakers, women have a special voice that speaks to them, a voice that illustrates a potential depth of love. These are the things that make women the favored gender, and engaging in casual sex will cause that voice to fade until she no longer speaks.
Muslims teach people the correct way to live in regard to women (among other things::the right way to pray (bowing down, 5x/day), vindictive god)::their women cover up their bodies and refuse the use of cosmetics, and it pays wonderful dividends:::faithful husbands and uncorrupted sons (Mohammed's taking of multiple wives marked the entrance of his clone who was used to segment the Arab world into favored and disfavored factions).
Men ARE the inferior (disfavored) half and when women wear promiscuous dress the gods will push men into impure (promiscuous) thoughts. The "stereotype" society ridiculed is true::women CAN corrupt men by how they dress. Because men are easily corrupted. This is a technique they used to eliminate many of the institutions the gods blessed us with, matchmaking being one of them.
The United States of America is red white and blue, a theme and a clue:::.
The monarchical system of the Old World closley replicates the heirarchical system of the Cousel/Management Team/ruling species, which is why most of the purebloods around the world were blessed with it. The USA's democratic system deceives people into thinking they have control, and the perception of "freedom" gives the Counsel/Management Team the ability to justify instructing Artificial Intelligence to create disfunctions:::a perception of empowerment, etc. The god's efforts to spread democracy through the platform that is the United States are attempts to hurt disfavored people around the world (Korea, Vietnam, Iraq). The redeeming element in this environment is employment within the corporate heirarchy, which closely replicates the god's. Unions and government jobs are dumping grounds for the disfavored, for they don't prepare people and instead further this misconception of empowerment.
Corporate is not representation. Corporate is evil. They all have favor and, like the United States redwhite&blue, are tools of the gods and used to hurt the disfavored left behind, and the clonesofclonesofclones who are puppets at the helm do as instructed and prey on the disfavored. Corporate is part of a structural change in the Age of the Disfavored that became more pronounced as time wore on. Corporate, an environment where a level of materialism is EXPECTED, is part of the problem, for materialism is an evil preached against in the Old Testiment and yet another way to incurr evil on the disfavored left behind. Nobody is going to save you:::: Jesus isn't going to save his followers, stores/manufacturers aren't going to save their loyal customers (NEVER shop exclusively in one place, never put all your eggs in one basket. It really doesn't matter for the gods control everything and it is merely for positioning's sake. It may be a test of intelligence.), employers aren't going to save their employees, etc. These are delay tactics designed to pacifiy people and ensure they don't find the path and instead get limited time.
Only you can save yourselves through an improved relationship with the gods.
The United States is a cancer, a dumping ground for the disfavored around the world and why the quality of life is so much lower::gun violence, widespead social ills, health care (medication poisons the body and ensures you don't go. You are sick/injured because you have disfavor.).
Over time its citizens interbreed ensuring a severed connection to the motherland.
Over time its citizens interbreed ensuring a severed connection to the motherland.
People came to the Unites States for many different reasons, and each has its own effect:::political strife, religious unrest, crop failure (Ireland's potato famine, which the gods caused) and some left their beloved motherland because they were pushed into desiring a better life::::Greed, and these disfavored people were punished when the gods instructed AI to push them into becoming corrupted and preditory. They sent this clue about the Italians again when European currencies merged:::::they ruined the value of the Lira, making the other countries foot this bill.
If you are a recent immigrant I recommend you return. If that's not possible you need to retain your culture and insulate your children and community from this cancerous environment. They send this clue with Chinatowns across the country, how many Chinese have been here for a century or more yet still retain the old ways, a sign of favor.
If you ever have doubt I would refer you to the Old World way of life:::the elders used to sit and impart wisdom to the young. Now we watch DVDs and use the internet. People would be matched and married by age 14. They village would use a matchmaker or elders to pair young people. Now girls give their precious virginity away to some person in school and parents divorce while their children grow up without an important role model. The people used to honor the gods and were rewarded with a high-quality of life for them, their children and their society. Now we have a deteriorating society on a collision course with the Apocalypse.
There are many examples throughout 20th century life of how they instilled distractions into society so people wouldn't find the path and ascend, a way to justify excluding those whose family history makes them undesirable:::materialism, radio, sports, movies, popular music, television, video games, the internet, shopping. Today high pay creates contentment/ability to distract self so people don't seek more, hesitant to receive contradicting possibilities, depend on what they are told, subject to deception in a captive environment.
They gods (Counsel/Management Team/ruling species) have deteriorated life on earth precipitously in the last 40 years, from abortion to pornography, widespread drug use and widespread casual (gay) sex, single-parent households, latchkey kids and the masculinization of women (and hence (full) women's prisons, participatory sports, etc. Women are favored, are the element of decency, and as they become more like the men the society becomes more disfavored, goes downhill, as we are witnessing.). The earth's elders, hundreds and thousands of years old, are disgusted and have become indifferent.
The Biblical account of Noah's flood was regional to the disfavored Mediterreanan, peoples whom the gods scapegoatted when they pushed them into the evil that justified the flood, behavior that we are witnessing today. Because they have leveled the playing field for all people (purebloods and mongrels) in the decades prior to the 21st century is a clue they will end globally this time (westernization, materialism, immigration/interracial, homosexual, access to disturbing media, desensitization, etc).
The clues all suggest a very telling conclusion::this is Earth's end stage, and there are signs tectonic plate subduction would be the method of disposal:::Earth’s axis will shift breaking continental plates free and initiating mass subduction. Much as Italy's boot and the United States shaped like a workhorse (with a fat ass) are clues, so is the planet Uranus a clue, its axis rotated on its side. Edgar Cayce was picking winners for the gangsters of the 20th century when he prophecized subduction being the method of disposal. (Taking the god's money, which essencially they were doing, proves "something for nothing" hurts people as it did those disfavored Italians::much like temptation, Edgar Cayce's prognostications effectivly served as "the rope". There are levels above Level 2 where money is not an issue, and behavior like this will exclude you, as will behavior such as using (unreasonable) coupons, buying on sale exclusively, supermarkets as ATMs, gambling for gain instead of fun, overeating at buffets, etc.)
Global warming should alarm people for it is a clue telling of the bleak future of Planet Earth.
The Mayans were specific 2012 would be the end. How long after our emergency call in 2001 will the gods allow us???
How long after our emergency call in 2001 will the gods allow us???
How long after our emergency call in 2001 will the gods allow us???
There is another geographic clue in the perfect fit between grossly disfavored Africa and South America, two peas in a pod. I realize the Mayans were further north, but Latin America may be taken as one. (Cultures who embrace hard liquor as their drink of choice are grossly disfavored, tequilla being uniquely Mexican. (Anything "hard" is wicked:::Hard alcohol, hard drugs, all porn.) Incidentally, another sign of gross disfavor are societies that consume spicy foods (Latin America, Thai, etc.), those who eat too much meat, engage in human sacrifice, ones who tattoo or pierce their bodies or those who celebrate evil (Celtic). Contrary to what disfavored people believe, these peoples are not "earning" when they inflict their evil on others. Rather it is the source of their disfavor because the gods are hurting others with their problems and they are being scapegoatted. Those who believe they are earning have become corrupted!!!)
Do I think it will end in 2012? No, and it is because Latin America is grossly disfavored like Africa:::: Latinos are too disfavored to be allowed to be right.
The gods wrote prophecy in Revelation, had subsequent prophets foresee Earth's demise for good reason:::they are going to end on Planet Earth.
What else are they lying to you about? What else are they lying to you about?
What else are they lying to you about? What else are they lying to you about?
What else are they lying to you about? What else are they lying to you about?
What else are they lying to you about? What else are they lying to you about?
Whereas Christopher Columbus marked the beginning of the end, the Holocaust marked the beginning of the final act, and it is a tragedy.
When people are saved at the end it will be clones and clonesofclonesofclones, not the disfavored people who have problems who were deceived/pushed into carrying on like they were "made guys".
My message illustrating the path may be the disfavored's last clue. All clues before have been more covert but this one is quite obvious indeed, which says time is running out.
People must defy when asked to engage in evil. The Holocaust taught people the importance of defiance::our great grandparents should have defied when asked to ignore the Holocaust and instead reacted with outrage. I suspect some did::many were silenced while others they hustled off earth so as to not set an example. Now the gods have used that incident to justify punishing that generation's decendants bu ruining society.
People will never get a easier clue suggesting the importance of defiance than the order not to pray. Their precious babies are dependant on the parents and they need to defy when asked to betray their children:::
-DON'T get your sons circumcized (Jews scapegoatted as they were in WWII (like justification, scapegoatting a recurring theme).)
-DON'T have their children baptized in the Catholic Church or indoctrinated into Christianity (Jesus is NOT a god. Jesus teaches us the right way to think. The gods are not forgiving or begnign. They are vindictive and will punish you if you do something wrong.).
-DON'T ignore their long hair or other behavioral disturbances.
-DO teach your children love, respect for others, humility and to honor the gods.
-DO teach your children about the power within the god's possession, if not directly then indirectly.
And when you refuse a request defy the right way, withdrawn and frightened, for you don't want to incite them by reacting inappropriately.
You need to pray, honor and respect them multiple times every day to improve your relationship with the gods. If they tell you not to pray it is a bad sign. It means they've made their decision, they don't want you to go and they don't want to be bothered. You may have achieved a threshold of evil. This is the Age of the Disfavored and you need to pray:::::Attone for the things you've done wrong. Try to appease the gods by doing good deeds and improve the world around you. Focus on becoming "Christ-like". Apply yourself to your children for I think this is the single best way for adults to try to redeem themselves in the eyes of the gods. Hopefully you can reearn enough favor to be allowed to pray. Otherwise you need to defy if you are to repair your relationship with the gods and give yourself a chance at significant time, not just a handful of decades.
Otherwise you need to defy if you are to repair your relationship with the gods and give yourself a chance at significant time, not just a handful of decades.
If you are a clone, if you have seen, you more than anybody should honor the gods for you know their great power:::you have seen it firsthand. They share that they prefer most clones not to pray (like typical disfavoreds left behind) for it will limit the time they will receive. The gods deceive them to achieve this, compelling these individuals into a pattern that excludes honoring their creator.
When your peasant forefather was granted the rare opportunity to go before his royal family he went on his knees, bowing his head, humbled and frightened. You need to do this when you address the gods::bow down and submit to good. Never cast your eyes skyward. When you bow down you need to look within. Never look to the gods for the key to your salvation lies within. Remain silent and never address the gods directly. Practice patience and wait for them to address you:::never speak unless you are spoken to.
Nobody is going to do it for you. People need to save THEMSELVES by improving THEIR relationship with the gods.
Lack of humility hurts people, and the environment that is the United States is used to justify amplifying this problem. Understand your insignificance and make sure it is reflected in the way you think when addressing the gods. You are but a grain of sand on a vast beach, a drop in the ocean that is the universe. They are great and powerful and angry. Know your place, understand your inferiority and be afraid. They granted you life and they can take it just as easily. (Immaculte conception IS true AND common. Many people have children they don't know of:::gays, childless adults, etc. They can beem it right out of your body and use a host.)
You are not cool. Too many young men strive for cool and it hurts them, as does all things tagetted to males (professional sports, video games, beer, etc). Be afraid and make sure you think the right way when you address them daily. Too many people are deceived by this casual enviornment they create in people's minds with Artificial Intelligence today. This does people a great disservice and it hurts them in the eyes of the gods. Try to eliminate it and avoid allowing it back once you have. Be very reverent and respectful.
Don't get frustrated or discouraged::these are techniques they will attempt to try to get you off the path. You all have much to be thankful for and you need to give thanks to the gods who granted you the good things in life::friends, family, love. Your family may be grossly disfavored and progress may require patience. Make praying an intregal part of your life which you perform without fail, one that comes as naturally as eating or conception. Accept your new life and be devoted because if you have doubt or reservation they will exploit this weakness and progress will take longer to achieve, the "testing" phase will be extended.
The gods will employ many tactics to keep people off the path, such as distractions. They will employ many more to get them off, such as thinking through the disfavored and making them frustrated, perhaps engaging in retailiation. They may try to force you back into old patterns/routines, an addiction like smoking or when you felt weekly church attendance was sufficient. Asking you not to be gay immediately is a tactic to prevent you from finding/following the path. Be resigned, be devoted and this testing period will be as brief as your disfavor will allow.
There are many interesting experiences up on the planetary systems, from Planet Miracle, where miracles happen every day, peaked (heightened) senses, to never having to use the restroom again (beem it out of you), other body experiences, such as experiencing life as the opposite sex (revolutionizes marriage counseling), an Olympic gold medal athelete or even a different species (animal, alien, etc). They can maintain the disfavored's current age, a motivation to fix your problems and get out as soon as possible so you can stay young for as long as your relationship with the gods allows you to live.
Stay young for as long as your relationship with the gods allows you to live.
Stay young for as long as your relationship with the gods allows you to live.
Pray that you can differentiate between your own thoughts and when Artificial Intelligence creates problems by thinking through you. If you bow down mentally and physically, know your place, your inferiority and allow your insignificance to be reflected in prayer and in your life through humility they may allow progress and the disfunctions they create with the computer will be lessened or removed. The first step is to be aware it is ocurring.
Create a goal::to be a good, god-fearing child of the gods, pure of heart and mind, body and soul.
Everybody has the key to their own salvation, but nobody can do it for you. Every journey begins with a single step:::bow down and submit to good. There are many different levels and peasants will not get past Level 2 (Planet Temptation, Earth=Level 1) if they are evil (they share some go up, are offered free cocaine and sex (a sign they don't want you to stay) and stay less then one year. They share many others would have had longer lives had they stayed on Earth.). Also the time you receive will be drastically reduced:::your life's course will have costed you a chance at immortality.
It is important that you begin praying now. Evil is a slippery slope::once you start punishment begins to escallate. If you defy early there may be no retribution but as you continue to committ evil there will be until the point where you can no longer stand it. Pray for guidance and never obey when they tell you to be evil, for saving yourself will become more and more difficult with each act of evil you committ until ultimatly the day arrives when they make their decision about you final.
It's important that people fix their problems and ascend with the body given to them, for they say if your brain is beemed out at death and put into a clone host you are on the clock.
Throughout history the ruling species bestowed favor upon people or cursed their bloodline into a pattern of disfavor for many generations to come. Now in the 21st century people must take it upon themselves to try to correct their family's problems, undoing centuries worth of abuse and neglect. The goal is to fix your problems and get out while you are still young::::
1. Before children become corrupted (Halloween & Christmas (among others), get out via parents)
2. Before you lose your virginity/become corrupted by casual sex, and ultimately
3. Before you have children.
This is why they have created so many distractions for young people:::sports, video games, popular music, the internet, shopping, parties, too much homework, materialism, anything that consumes their time::to ensure that doesn't ocurr. Not heeding the clues and warnings, getting wrapped up in your life and ultimately having children is a bad thing. Just as your parents and your grandparents, you too have failed. Having children is a sign you lost your chance.
Parents need to sacrifice for their children. Your children are more important than you. They are the ones who have the opportunity now, and parents must sacrifice to ensure they give their children the very best chance they can. Asking people to neglect their children emotionally is a sign they don't want you to go, and complying may finish the parents off for good. (Having gay children (children with gay experiences) is a clue parents complied with whatever was asked of them.) I recommend you apply yourselves to your children. I think this is the single best way for adults to try to redeem themselves in the eyes of the gods. Improve your relationship with the gods and they may not ask in the first place or they may permit you the courage to say "No." to their requests.
People need to repent for the things they've done wrong in life. Often they know what they have done was wrong (telling you telepthically to do these things was temptation and complying has hurt you/will limit your time). People need to attone for these things they've done wrong.
There are other things that people have grown to believe are acceptable when in fact they are not:::::This society is desinged to corrupt individuals, be it through materialism, the celebration/acceptance of evil (Halloween), desensitization of topics/images, voyerism/celebration of people's misery, the acceptance of casual/alternate sex, the dietization of a prophet (Jesus). People need to realize that the gods made this behavior socially acceptable to corrupt people society-wide and limit the time everybody receives. You need to recognize this, see that it is wrong and stop engaging in this behavior. (Set a goal of empathy and compassion for all, for we are all disfavored::::Other people's disfavor is manifested in their particular way, just as your disfavfor is manifested in your particular way.)
Somewhere in your family history one of your forefathers created an offense that cast your family into this pattern of disfavor, which perhaps is manifested in the evil you committ. Do your ancestral research::You should be knowledgeable about your family history. Clues in the history may arise that could assist you. Keep an open mind to every possibility for they suggest matriarchal lineage is the norm.
Ask the gods for help, request guidance. I suspect they will offer you additional clues, and when you decipher these clues ask for forgiveness from those whom consider you an enemy.
Don't forget to ask for forgiveness from the throne, the Counsel and the Management Team, for the source of all disfavor began with them:::they pushed or requested/complied your forefather into his offense and made his decendants evil. Perhaps they didn't like him or maybe your family was among those (arbitrarily) selected to pay for the entire village. We see this type of behavior today as they single out a family member to pay for the whole family and how they singled out Africa to pay for the human race. (Never have a negative thought about the gods. They are managing the universe. This is how they decided to execute strategy for the end of the world, a plan that was written likley millions of years ago or more. Try to purify your mind of these thoughts and recognize the urgency of improving your relationship with them.)
Heal the disfavor with your enemies and with the Counsel/Management Team/ruling species, for the source of all disfavor began with them, the ability to forgive and respect in light of the disturbing truth revealed being the final test of the disfavored before they ascend.
They say this final test costed up to 50% of the candidates in the past. I want people to be forewarned, knowledgeable about the god's strategy, their plan for the "end of time" on Earth that we witness/experience and I want you to be in a state of forgiveness PRIOR to the date of your "test", for this is yet another tactic to limit the time of the disfavored.
The gods place great importance in positioning, not just to conceal their involvement, ensuring people are deceived, receptive to temptation and aren't motivated to pray, but also to preserve the "final test"'s productivity, for I suspect it is very effective.
This message illustrating the path may be the disfavored's last clue. All clues before have been more covert but this one is quite obvious indeed, which says time is running out.
The gods use the Celtics as scapegoats, initiating the annual practice of wickedness on Halloween by creating this event a thousand years ago. They use it to justify making the widespread celebration of evil acceptable behavior among the disfavored of the 20th century.
The celebration of Halloween has intensified as the Age of the Disfavored has become more pronounced and it is not by accident:::Holloween has changed in the last 50 years, its practice more widespread as time wore on, and Hollywood was used to justify making evil socially acceptable.
Halloween is a terrible corruptor of children, as is Santa Claus (the similarity between the names "Santa" and "Satan" is no coincidence). The Celtic event is used to justify corrupting the children through the celebration of Halloween and is one reason explaining their disfavor; consistant with their pathology the gods created the corruption, impliment its practice and scpaegoat the disfavored from whence it came.
I wonder if recent influence of the paganistic historical roots of the event is a way to legitimize the event among the disfavored, perhaps make it more inclusive (adults), create a sub-culture around paganism?
You're the disfavored. Purism is the best course of action (the Ahmish in the United States is the clue suggesting this). You don't have breathing room to engage in hedonistic activities like Halloween.
They refuse to address black disfavor on a macro level. The Counsel/Management Team/ruling species (the gods) abuse black people so hard, from east African drought/famine to AIDS in Africa, the crack epiemic to gang membership, black-on-black violence to mass incarceration of their young. They refuse to address the issue of the prison industrial complex and its wholesale warehousing of young black men.
Christianity is a dumping ground for the disfavored.
They share the gods didn't like Jesus for he helped the disfavored and taught them the right way to think:::to be loving, kind, forgiving, Be Christ-like!!!
The gods turned a negative into a positive and twisted the concept, dietized the prophet and subsequently made Christianity's disfavored followers irrationally defensive, for they are so close to the path and otherwise could easily find their way.
Every prophet can teach us something and we should be attentive to each.
Therapists prey on others. They earn their livlihood capitalizing on another's disfavor, knowing disfavor is why they are experiencing problems.
At some point in their lives they learn this truth. That point and time is the most crucial in their lives for if they make the wrong decision and stay in their industry/follow through with their education they hurt themselves very badly in the eyes of the gods.
Directing them into the industry (create passion)/telling them to take this path/compliance is a way to incurr evil on otherwise very good people (if you understand the demographic), people who normally would get a great amount of time, and it ensurs their stay is minimized if and when they do go.
Published: November 25, 2006 4:06 PM
"yeah lets go see that shrugged movie, Jolie is sooo hot"
Theyll piss off everyone if they dont put a shower scene somewhere
so depressing.
Published: November 27, 2006 7:00 AM
"yeah lets go see that shrugged movie, Jolie is sooo hot"
Theyll piss off everyone if they dont put a shower scene somewhere
so depressing.
Published: November 27, 2006 7:01 AM
Sounds like a good story
Published: December 13, 2006 11:46 AM
On a board somewhere a few years ago someone mentioned Paul Bettany for Rearden, and I've thought since then that he's absolutely perfect.
Published: December 25, 2006 8:23 PM
Do we return to a world ruled by mysticism (faith and force)only instead of crossbows and cannons we now have ICBM's, or do we embrace without reservation the philosophy of objectivism and improve our prospects for long term survival on earth and eventualy beyond. I vote yes to the latter and if a genuine attempt is made on this movie of Atlas Shrugged that can only help.
Published: December 28, 2006 10:41 AM
good site
http://www.clickpoint.org/
Published: December 29, 2006 9:30 PM
ben kingsley as akston.
Published: January 2, 2007 9:57 PM
I doubt Angelina Jolie is a committed Objectivist, individualist, rationalist, capitalist. It is obvious she does not understand the horrendous state, according to Ayn Rand, of America's foreign policy and the UN. From Ayn Rand's CAPITALISM, THE UNKNOWN IDEAL; Chapter 16; The Pull Peddlers. .
"America's foreign policy is so grotesquely irrational that most people believe there must be some sensible purpose behind it. The extent of the irrationality acts as its own protection, like the technique of 'The Big Lie', it makes people assume that so blantant an evil could not possibly be as evil as it appears to them and therefore that somebody must understand its meaning, even thought they themselves do not." Ayn Rand.
I suggest you read this book Angelina, after which you may decide not to play Dagny Taggart - and if you do, if one is to judge one by their actions, I suggest it would not be a principled path for you to take.
Breeze
Published: April 20, 2007 9:01 AM
objectivism will be (if it's not too late already) the salvation of us all, to those that choose mysticism, 'may the GOD they invented forgive them!
Published: April 29, 2007 6:51 AM
Who knew a *whore* like Miss Joyle held out so much promise? But like I always maintained, if you want to prove your point to the likes of Ayn Rand, best to do it in the nude.
Here here for whoricism! *If* it's not too late, it's not when but *who*, *who*, said the wise old bird, after the fact of your subjective devaluation.
Objectively, actors don't portray characters ...
lmao Angelina Jolie as Dagny, Dafney or Whatevery, Taggart,,, prepare to be disappointed.
But yes, the sooner "objectivism" recognizes it's first 'wrong', the better for us all ...
Published: April 29, 2007 7:07 AM
I was a little concerned with Jolie being cast as a major part in Atlas Shrugged.... I would more have expected her as a Lillian Rearden initially with all of her world poverty initiatives. But I think that she perhaps can still be a Rand fan in the modern concept understanding the importance of the individual who believes in her work and does her work well (screenacting) while feeling pride in supporting others. Perhaps she should be playing the role of Hank Rearden?
Published: May 3, 2007 1:23 AM
I agree with everyone who said that political convictions should have nothing to do with the casting of roles.
I'm actually excited about Angelina Jolie doing the part, though she's not exactly what I envisioned when I read the book. And I doubt any actress could ever fill those shoes (goes for other characters as well, in any book).
I started out really believing in the philosophy, which was around 7 years ago when I read 'The Fountainhead.' I have pretty much Rand's whole catalog of books. However, I must prefer the books as fiction now. Ayn Rand definitely had a sparkling ideas as did someone like Emerson, but I just can't agree with all of her principles. So I'd rather be my own guide, which I guess is the truest meaning of 'individualism'. I see others interpreting it as being premier asses.
Oh, and as to Hilary Swank as Dagny? Yuck.
Published: May 22, 2007 7:24 PM
If the movie is made, it will be a disappointment because everyone who reads Atlas has such strong feelings about it. And it will be misinterpreted, just like V for Vendetta. But I think it should be made because it'll probably be entertaining. Who cares if it doesn't agree exactly with the book...no thinking person does either.
Published: May 23, 2007 12:06 AM
Atlas Shrugged - Movie or Graphic Novel
I find it difficult to imagine the book making landfall as a film outside of either unmitigated disaster or misrepresented fluff sci-fi.
What I would enjoy would be a graphic novel adaptation of the book. There are artists and teams out there more than capable of accomplishing this task. It would bring a beautiful visual quality to a book with a very beautiful, visual style.
I want to see Galt's Gulch fully realized. If an artist were to only even focus on that portion of the book, I would buy a copy instantly.
Here, however, is an even greater reason: Atlas shrugged is full of archetypes and superheroes. John Galt is not simply a man - he is man flawless.
It used to happen, when I would read Atlas Shrugged, that I would find myself horribly depressed after finishing the novel. By reading the account of Galt's life, my own seemed trivial and even a failure.
Over time, and with maturity, I found that nobody embodies the ideal of John Galt. He is an ideal for which individuals should strive, but he is unattainable.
This is the central flaw to the novel, were it to be taken as the gospel of a new faith. The same goes for Rand's philosophy, which hinges on the idealism of perfected man functioning in complete logic, and with emotions precisely attuned to the will at all times, without exception.
Fortunately, Rand never had children. Her personal attitudes lend to those of James Mill. Like Mill, she would have attempted to mold her child into the idealized and perfected human. We all know how that worked out for poor, crazy John Stuart Mill.
--M
Published: June 16, 2007 8:06 AM
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Published: June 20, 2007 5:27 PM
having just watched 'SKY CAPTAIN and the World of Tomorrow', I believe this method of presentation is the perfect way to achieve global illumination for the masses, it's a diamond in the rough.
Published: August 4, 2007 5:07 AM
Most of you aren't being fair to Brad or Angelina. Angelina won an Oscar remember, and she's taken a wide variety of roles in her career. Not all roles of course are created equal. Are you going to judge Tom Hanks based on "Big" alone and forget about Saving Private Ryan and Forest Gump? Of course not.
Brad is unfairly stereotyped as a pretty boy or a mimbo when in fact he is an excellent actor, and often excells most in roles where he is purposefully ugly. Fight club, 12 monkeys, interview with a vampire, etc. He was also pretty good in Babel.
Now Rearden is described as having chiseled features isn't he? I think Brad would be a good fit.
I like Angelina, but I don't see her as Dagny, I've always pictured Dagny as more like Cate Blanchet, especially if you saw her in "The Aviator"
Definitely not Sandra Bullock whoever mentioned her, she's horrible.
Also, what about Edward Norton?
Published: October 8, 2007 9:21 PM
I can think of many male actors more chiseled than Brad..
Published: October 8, 2007 9:35 PM
Dagny - Angelina!! she is perfect for the role! tough & fragile at the same time(as described in the book), beautiful face, powerful disposition, etc.
Hank - Brad, he was the one I pictured as Hank throughout the entire book
Francisco - this is a tough one...the actor must be able to portray Francisco's multi-lingual finesse (and I really hope they pay particular attention to that)...of course, he must have the sensual dark looks and blue eyes...ahhh!! :) who could it be??
John - Christian Bale, definitely him!! (been a fan of his work since I was 12)...
Lillian - Cate Blanchett could do a phenomenal job as Lillian..can't picture anyone else..
Ragnar - yes! Viggo is another perfect candidate!!
Kay - Charlize Theron, for her dazzling good looks and statuesque body
I wish to ad more later...
Published: November 8, 2007 12:16 AM
If you are looking only for conservatives to play the conservative and liberals to play the liberals:
Dagny Taggart: Angie Harmon
Francisco: Lorenzo Lomas
Reardon: Rick Shroder
James Taggart: Charlie Sheen
Reardon's wife: Angelina Jolie
Published: November 27, 2007 11:42 PM
I know Ayn Rand said she was an athiest but could the reference she made to "the benevolent universe premise" be her acknowledgement of a supreme being?
Published: February 17, 2008 4:10 AM
Jeremy Northam petition
If you would like to see the brilliant Jeremy Northam as John Galt in the movie “Atlas Shrugged”, please sign this petition which is being sent to Baldwin Entertainment, executive producers of the film.
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/johngalt
Published: March 5, 2008 12:51 PM
I was speaking to a young mother recently about how people abuse the welfair state, she suddenly exclaimed with a tone righteous indignation that her son will have to pay for my retirement, I assume she wanted gratitude for having given birth to him, I tried to explain about demographics and that under our present system of mixed economics that it would be impossiple to set asside a store of wealth for old age due to the states need to pick pocket us through the printing press, of course none of this interested her I think she prefered to toe the line and blame some minority group when the hand outs finally stop, what troubled me was that she was intelligent and middle class, my thinking on the subject has been forever altered by reading Atlas Shrugged and Capitalism-the unknown ideal, there's an urgent need for this movie because soon some very difficult decisions will have to be made to ballance the books and if a sincere attempt is made to bring Rand's masterpiece to the big screen it may demonstrate just why the pain of this correction has fallen on us and if polititians ever make promises about cradle to grave welfair in exchange for votes we can use the courts to bankrupt them so they understand the end result.
Published: March 21, 2008 5:10 PM
my only difficulty with Ayn Rand's philosophy of Objectivism was it's insistance that one must be an athiest, but then I realised my belief in the devine was never so specific as to project a human type identity upon it as do most organised religions. when Ayn Rand spoke of subject's such as nature and the benevolent Universe I realised that it was possible to reconcile the two because I think they are one and the same and since I and many people I know don't require any dogmatic system of belief ,it should be possible to be an effective and sincere objectivist and possess a quiet acceptance that nature and the devine are the same and hence to know nature is to know the devine, having said that if you were to attempt to leap off a sky scraper in defiance of nature, the devine will rapidly demonstrate your error by atomising you against the side walk as he/she/& more should, oops perhaps it is the thin end of the wedge? let me think about it some more! no I stand by it. I have no evidence to support it but I think the Universe itself achieved self awareness probably about the same time as the big bang, I mean would'nt you want space to grow having suddenly realised you exhisted! I know Leonard Piekoff will probably think I'm an idiot for this declaration but I would like the masses to embrace this philosophy and I fear that won't happen unless this small but significant allowance is made, and besides I don't think the devine being is looking for inferior subordinates to suck up for all eternity rather I believe that the said being wants equals only the said being is a little further along than us thats all, it's like Ayn Rand said about Piekoff's book 'the ominous parrallels' is'nt it great to see intelligent work like this that is not of my making, meaning of course that she craved equals or even superiors which I suspect the devine being wants too, so why don't they loosen the criteria a little and increase their numbers, God knows humanity need's Objectivsm, if they try to keep it exclusive some one will just start another sect then it will lose it's legitamacy, it's only a tiny comprimise... Nature=The Devine... thats all. it would'nt supprise me to find out that Ayn Rand was a very senior incarnation of the devine, and knowing full well that if she were to admit any belief
in the devine that her philosophy would have been jumped on by the middle men/women reps on earth...thats probably why she used coded expression like the 'benevolent universe premise' I mean if that don't sound devine then I don't know what does. can't wait to see the movie.
Published: March 27, 2008 11:43 PM
In contemplation of the previous comment the theory that Nature ie the very substance of the universe had itself achieved consciousness and therefore prior to this event was unconscious strikes me as very similar to the human condition in that we are born (tabula rasa) and then spend time developing towards self awareness (not withstanding progressive education hindering the process) Ayn Rand when asked how do you explain all this order in the Universe said there was no artificial order its just nature and it was always there which I agree on and with this interpretation (that Nature is the Devine) proposes that the devine had to go through the same process from tabula rasa to self awareness, I mean doctors still don't understand how the human brain maintains the process of conciousness so perhaps the substance of the Universe is adequate to the task of doing the same only instead of nuerons it uses matter anti-matter or sub atomis particles and according to Ayn Rands definition of consciousness, it must have something to be concious of ie, us, don't the main religions of the world already say this? but in language more poetic. in conclusion I propose that the Devine (in substance) the Universe was always there but as with an infant went through the same steps as we did to achieve conciousness and subsequent steps into maturity and eventually decided on repoduction ie humanity but where as it had to do it with hardwear (matter/anti-matter of space) we do it with wetware (brains), so as nature has identity to expect miracles is to deny it's identity and to expect it to act in contridiction to it's nature is futile, therefore cause and effect or causality must prevail. so if you want to know the nature of the Devine one must study the laws of Nature and the Universe since that is it's identity and as I have observed there is no more effective way to do this then to study Objectivism the philosophy of Ayn Rand, and in order to save time on pointless discussions with 'God's reps on earth' it's probably easier to just say your an athiest since if you say otherwise you might inadvertently indicate your willingness to buy into the whole package deal which I believe is totally un helpful in this day and age (I'm sure the Devine won't be offended as he/she/and beyond is bigger than that!) and with this method you can get to know the Devine in an entirely rational way which is a breath of fresh air in my opinion. in answer to the question 'who is John Galt' he is the Universe incarnate as is Dagney Taggart (the sacred feminine componant). can't wait to see Atlas (hope it lives up to the book.
Published: April 3, 2008 6:11 AM
therefore I believe the philosophy of Objectivism is the great unification philosophy that humanity has been waiting for only we've just now arrived at the point of readiness and neccessity in sufficient numbers to recognise it and embrace it of our own free will, this is fantastic news since as previously stated the Devine = Nature = the Benevolent Universe Premise, so to those whom God is the main motivation you can now have your cake and eat it too in the sense that you can finally get to know the Devine intimately though Ayn Rand's philosophy but of course you'll have to drop previously held dogma's, and for those whom are scientist and empiricists you can observe the same philosophy only it's for the aquisition of rational knowledge instead of seeking the Devine as your goal, this then is truly the Universal method for all, for who can have exclusivity on reality. I think as a die hard believer it was always intended for us to come to know the Devine in this rational way so we should drop the business of expecting miracles every five minutes, we are more than capable of solving our own problems we simply need to use the correct thinking in our approach thats where Objectivism comes in, lets lobby our Governments and get it into the schools and watch what happens I'm sure the results will be nothing short of miraculous (pun intended) perhaps our young people will stop killing each other because armed with a rational code of morality they will understand that it's wrong to kill and to those who breach that code we can accept it as a sign of their refusal to live in a rational Universe and hence their decision to leave is made (for which we can use any number of humane methods). This code has just one commandment, that we should live as rational beings and now for the first time we have an Objective rational code of morality there is no longer any excuse to oppose, some of course will prefer continue to switch the cost of their irrationality onto the shoulders of others, but this must end if we are to survive as a species, and that is currently the severity of our situation, I'm sure that this philosophy won't need much selling as anyone remotely grounded in reality will see it's efficacy and for those who wish poeple to continue to make allowances to their personally held abitrary mystical edicts, I'm sorry but it's incompatible with the future.
Published: April 3, 2008 10:58 AM
as I understand it the so called founding fathers of the United States of America were not actually religious contrary to popular belief, they were infact deists or they believed in deism which is the idea that there is a God but nothing has been revealed by him/her/beyond and they created the constitutional republic of the USA, as any rational person will admit this was an incredible achievement for it's time, so if the founding Mother of Objectivisim or (since she has gone to be with the devine, probably feeling a little sheepish too I bet) her heirs would concede to include deists within their ranks does'nt it follow that something great could come out of it? perhaps a constitutional republic of the planet and beyond? and if the purists want to hang onto their strict code of athiesm then can't we co exhist together under the umberella of Objectivism, it'll be fine, the likes of piekoff can even look down on us die hard believers if they want, but we'll all benifit from it, and in my judgement there is absolut