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Selgin Live!

October 28, 2008 by

I enjoyed this interview enormously. George Selgin, author of Good Money, is incredibly smart and so very articulate. I hope you like it too.

{ 12 comments }

MattYoung October 28, 2008 at 5:24 pm

Selgin is tops, read some of his work. I second the motion, let’s hear more from him.

Bruce Koerber October 28, 2008 at 8:50 pm

When we think about the potential of America and its role or destiny it is not too far of a stretch to think that one anthem that everyone will be singing when we rid ourselves of the shackles of the indoctrination of the unConstitutional coup will be:

“Free banking, sound money, and private enterprise!”

Pierre October 28, 2008 at 8:57 pm

Bruce: I’m all for free banking, but quite often when I hear libertarians talking about free banking they are implying that banks should be free to arbitrage between two incompatible contracts (deposit and loan) and hence commit fraud.

Bruce Koerber October 28, 2008 at 9:14 pm

Pierre,

Of course free banking does mean that fraud may occur (but it occurs at tremendously higher levels when there is the corruption of intervention) but quickly it is remedied in a free banking world. Those who realize that a bank is acting fraudulently will quickly stop doing business with them. Trustworthy (banks) businesses will make sure that their competitors are acting trustworthy since they are in very real competition with each other.

Those businesses (and banks) that lack the virtue of trustworthiness will fail and those that practice trustworthiness will succeed, provided they are also producing goods and/or services desired by enough people.

By the way, I do not consider myself a libertarian unless what you really mean is a classical liberal, one that is apolitical.

Carlos Novais October 29, 2008 at 4:38 am

Free banking in itself is possible, what is impossible is to coexiste banks with 100% reserves for their own notes and deposits and other banks with let´s say 20% of reserves.

The banks with a policy of 20% reserves would have to clearly state in their notes/deposits (a contract) that they would only maintain 20% of gold (for example) to the total issuing of notes+deposits.

Would this notes/deposits be valued at its nominal or face value comparing with notes/deposits from 100% reserve banks?

Clearly no. They would not be fungible with 100% reserve notes/deposits.

Free banking would mean 100% reserves for notes and demand deposits.

Daniel October 29, 2008 at 6:41 am

Carlos, I am not an expert on this topic, but I belief you are historically mistaken. The freeest banking we have ever seen, for example once upon a time in Scotland, had quite small reserve ratios and was really stable.

Jeff Hummel had an interesting talk about fractional reserve banking up at FEE, http://www.fee.org/Audio/YSC/FINAL%20YSC%20-%20Jeffrey%20Rogers%20Hummel%20-%20Why%20Fractional%20Reserve%20Banking%20Is%20more%20Libertarian%20than%20the%20Gold%20Standard.mp3

Carlos Novais October 29, 2008 at 7:12 am

Daniel

The history of banking is one where the contracts (including the small letters) implicit in the issuing of receipts/notes (or registering the deposit in a account) against deposits of coins was never a really clear and honest contract.

So, the “free banking” argument relies on the assumption that a note with 100% reserve and a note with 20% reserve have the same monetary value.

Comparing two note/deposit type of contracts by Bank A (100% reserve) and B (till 20% reserve):

Bank A note/deposit: “This receipt certifies that 10 coins of gold are really deposit”

Bank B note/deposit: “this receipt is a claim on 10 coins of gold taken that this Bank policy only keeps till 20% of the coins and till the other 80% are backed by receipts similar to this one”.

1. If you had 10 coins of gold would you deposit in Bank A or Bank B?

2. If you sold something for 10 coins of gold would you equally ask as a price: 1 note/deposit form Bank A or 1 note/deposit form Bank B?

In a free market with clear and honest contracts and full support of the law , good money drives out bad money.

Carlos Novais October 29, 2008 at 7:14 am

Daniel

The history of banking is one where the contracts (including the small letters) implicit in the issuing of receipts/notes (or registering the deposit in a account) against deposits of coins was never a really clear and honest contract.

So, the “free banking” argument relies on the assumption that a note with 100% reserve and a note with 20% reserve have the same monetary value.

Comparing two note/deposit type of contracts by Bank A (100% reserve) and B (till 20% reserve):

Bank A note/deposit: “This receipt certifies that 10 coins of gold are really deposit”

Bank B note/deposit: “this receipt is a claim on 10 coins of gold taken that this Bank policy only keeps till 20% of the coins and till the other 80% are backed by credit granted by the issuing of similars receipts”.

1. If you had 10 coins of gold would you deposit in Bank A or Bank B?

2. If you sold something for 10 coins of gold would you equally ask as a price: 1 note/deposit form Bank A or 1 note/deposit form Bank B?

In a free market with clear and honest contracts and full support of the law , good money drives out bad money.

newson October 29, 2008 at 9:25 am

to daniel:
whilst a popular example cited by fractional reserve free banking advocates, the scottish case is highly suspect. read here the critiques of both rothbard and sechrest:
http://mises.org/journals/rae/pdf/RAE2_1_15.pdf
http://mises.org/journals/rae/pdf/RAE2_1_16.pdf

Joshua Park October 29, 2008 at 6:21 pm

I really enjoyed this interview, and it makes me interested in Mr. Selgin’s “Good Money”. I am thinking of getting it for a particular coin-collecting friend of mine for Christmas, but I wonder: is the book more libertarian or more numismatic? Of course, if it is numismatic enough to interest him and libertarian enough to convince him, then I think I have a winner? Has anyone read this book and if so, would it be good for strictly coin-collecting types?

jeffrey October 29, 2008 at 7:54 pm

It is real history written with technical knowledge in coinage and deep economic understanding. It has broad appeal. It is also beautifully well written.

George Selgin November 2, 2008 at 7:58 am

Myths die hard: the articles Newson refers to make numerous incorrect claims about the Scottish system, all of which were subsequently addressed in detail in White’s “Banking Without a Central Bank: Scotland Before 1844 as a ‘Free Banking’ System,” in Forest Capie and Geoffrey Wood, eds., Unregulated Banking: Chaos or Order? (London: Macmillan, 1991): 37-62. Of course no country has experienced free banking in a pristine form. But Scotland came reasonably close, and White shows that the differences do not in any way suggest that more complete freedom would have been at all disadvantageous.

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