An excellent response by Ron to the Guiliani explosion. And, by the way, here is an article by Rockwell from 2001 saying the same thing. And here is Adam Young on the history of blowback.
Source link: http://blog.mises.org/6642/ron-on-cnn/
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That video isn’t actually working for me, but I had seen it prior.
One thing that bothered me about this was that, towards the end, they put Ron’s face up nice and big on the screen with four screens of bin Laden and al-Qaida hooping and hollering, shooting guns and so forth. I’m not sure how appropriate a juxtaposition that would be with any other candidate–why do they do it to Dr. Paul?
More interesting was the subhead about halfway through: “BLAMING THE US FOR 9/11.”
It appeared right below Dr. Paul’s face, delighting, of course, anybody who oppses Ron Paul.
Ron Paul (and the ‘fascist revolutionary’ that ran for mayor of Tokyo) might be the first honest politicians I’ve come across (and now I’m not so sure about the Toyama Koichi – in other venues he’s a pretty well adjusted hip young musician).
Foxnews hatch job on Ron Paul:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2007/160507rigsdebate.htm
(and still Doc Paul pwnt Giuliani)
He’s absolutely correct – some people hate us because of what we have done in the past (and what we are doing now). In fact they hate us enough to want to kill us. But he needs to finish the thought… i.e. sometimes people will hate me for what I am doing even though what I am doing is the right thing to do.
Our past and current foreign policies have caused people to hate us but that is not on its own sufficient evidence to label those policies as wrong. Many of them have been wrong – especially in hind-sight, but the criticism needs more substance. But just as importantly I suspect that some of those policies have been right even though they caused some to hate us.
Lenny,
Did you happen to read the history of failure that United States has thrust upon the Middle East? It would prove enlightening.
Every intervention made by the U.S. throughout its history has, in no small way, contributed to greater problems.
The US in WWI – Giving rise to Hitler with Versailles
The US in WWII – Giving power to Stalinist Russia through gifting the Balkans
The US in Korea – Promoting sympathies to Communist Asia while only stirring anger toward the US (no victory)
The US in Vietnam – More of the same
The US in Iran/Iraq/Lebanon/Syria/etc – Promoting sympathy for Islamist radicals among Muslims through shows of force with little regard for the people of the region
What will Iraq do? What of Iran?
It is clear that the United States can militarily defeat the people of Iraq and Iran and possibly even every sovereign nation in the Middle East… for now. We know that if any of them fire 3 nuclear missiles, they will receive in answer 300. What, then is the aim?
We want Middle Eastern governments that will be loyal and subject to the desires of the United States. These lapdogs make policing the planet much easier. And they can be put down at any time if they start to get too feisty for our needs.
great to see the online support. ron paul really struck a chord with a lot of people.
here’s the problem. his comments (or at least comments in his newsletter from the 80s)in the past that can be construed as racist will kill him once the mainstream media digs deep. the “fleet-footed” comment especially. not saying it’s fair, but he will be portrayed as a racist. unless there’s a good explanation for them, then the momentum will be killed by the msm.
Michael
I don’t really dispute any of your observations. I personally have a non-intervention bias, but it’s a pretty strong statement to say that *every* intervention has created greater problems. Who really knows whether Stalin was worse than Hitler would have been? Perhaps it could be argued that the intervention was good policy but the disengagement was botched; but I’m not really qualified to debate one way or the other.
In any case my real point is that causing someone to dislike us is not sufficient proof that the policy or action is bad or wrong.
Lenny,
The axiom of government is that EVERY intervention will require another.
Protectionist tariffs led to the “Civil War,” which led to reconstruction, which led to disenfranchisement of the south, which allowed the levying of higher tariffs, which led to people voting in the income tax as hope of eliminating the tariff, which allowed Woodrow Wilson to join World War I, which, through Versailles, gave rise to Hitler and the Third Reich, which the United States fought in World War II, which required alliances with Stalinist Russia, which meant giving them arms and aid, which encouraged their growth, which started the cold war, which inspired the United States to meddle in the near and far east, at which time we employed Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein (among others) to fight communism, which led to Iraq having biological weapons and gave Osama a masterful CIA training in terrorism, which helped him to coordinate the September 11th (and other) attacks, which inspired the Bush administration to go to war in Afghanistan and later Iraq, which has encouraged more young Muslim men to join the ranks of Al-Quaeda and Hezbollah, which means that the number of “insurgents” or whatever they are to be called increases 2 for every 1 killed, which is the definition of a quagmire.
Unfortunately I don’t think Dr. Paul’s response was very impressive here, (even though I’m with him from all my my brains!), and I often admire his courage.
But, while we can be smart as individuals, here in discussions at Mise’s for instance, we are not just made out of brains… in fact, a crowd of smart people is certainly not able to grasp at once what good it would mean to them to suppress the government.
So, the emotion of the crowd can be teased by speakers like Giuliani and the like, hoping to divert it in some particular direction, no matter how senseless or destructive (you need to hear a speech by Hitler!). Perhaps thus, our enemy is not them Republicans or Democrats, but just that part in ourselves that surrenders to those “bad” leader (the government) because it doesn’t have enough guts to start a fight over and over again …
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