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The Individualist Code

July 3, 2006 by

What accounts for the popularity of “The Da Vinci Code”? Part of it, suggests Stephen Cox, is the novelty factor: many people know so little about the history of any religion that even the oddest and dumbest falsehoods seem fresh and provocative to them. But take a second look. It doesn’t take Tom Hanks to discover that the deep coding of the New Testament isn’t authoritarian but radically individualist. FULL ARTICLE

{ 42 comments }

Tim Kern July 3, 2006 at 8:15 am

Professor Cox makes a number of good points, but to hold up the New Testament (written in parables, designed to be interpreted in many, sometimes conflicting ways) as some kind of series of individualist/economic models is to invite ridicule, if not disaster.

Remember the servant who, fearing he was to be terminated, went around to his master’s creditors and told them to reduce the declared amounts of their debts? He gave away the master’s money, to feather his own retirement!

What about the day-laborers, hired throughout the day, who were each paid the same at the end of the day? The message was that the master could pay anyone any amount, as long as they were in voluntary agreement, a priori, and that’s a good lesson. But as a lesson in management, we might ask: How many workers could he find the next morning?

Let’s leave Bible lessons for those who need to explain them, and develop management and economic models empirically.

F L. Light July 3, 2006 at 9:18 am

As an Homeric pagan, I abhor the monotheistic
hostility to freedom:
1
The Gods, disunifying nature, may
Immortal multiplicity portray.
2
The Gods, disunifying nature, may
Their copious animality convey.
3
The Gods, disunifying goodness, give
Both predator and prey the grace to live.
4
Nature, disunifying animals,
With bestial liberality befalls.
5
The variant animals in consequence
Of nature are concerned with prevalence.
6
Prodigious variance, in profusion found,
To bestial animation should redound.
7
With independent animality
Divergent nature would set difference free.

Nancy L. Boone July 3, 2006 at 9:48 am

A great article!!! In addition to what Mr. Cox has said, I would like to note the importance of the Old Testament as the foundation for what was written in the New Testament. In Genesis we read about the origin of scarcity (the crux of the economic problem), which was also the result of individual choice when the forbidden fruit was eaten. A few chapters later we read about the division of labor as people began to migrate and settle throughout the world. In Deuteronomy we see the establishment of the institutions of law and private property rights, which are the essence of a thriving national economy. We also read that government authority should not multiply the currency (Deut. 17:17 KJV). Hmmm…reminds me of something. Oh yes, I guess that’s what we Austrians keep preaching!

Felix Benner July 3, 2006 at 9:53 am

This article speaks so much from my heart. I couldn’t agree more. I was once trapped in the fundamentalists’ view myself when the lord in his mercy and irony showed me my mistakes when the very group of people I wanted to belong to rejected me for my individuality.

I have repended now and realized that Jesus paid with his own blood for our individual freedom and I am definitely in no position to question his ways with other people.

Roger M July 3, 2006 at 10:27 am

Thanks for another great article! I find it hard to accept that people take The Da Vinci Code seriously, but I guess they do. Good reason exists to believe that Christians oppose individualism: The Catholic Church fought individualism for most of its history. It took the Erasmian Protestants of the Dutch Republic to offer us our first taste of religious and individual freedom, while Lutherans and Calvinists opposed both. The Catholic Church considered the individualism of the Dutch a great evil.

That the “social gospel” and “social justice” movements are associated with Christianity is just sad, because those movements were started by non-Christians who retained the title. The founders of the social gospel movement followed the German theologians who denied the divinity (and some the humanity) of Jesus, the virgin birth and the resurrection (the crucifixion was OK). In their search for the “historical” Jesus, they rejected the accuracy of the principal historical documents that refer to him—the Gospels. Those people called themselves Christians, when in fact they were nothing but Marxists who wanted to use the power of religion to advance their own agendas.

David C July 3, 2006 at 10:43 am

I loved this article, but in all fairness, the individualisim that Jesus preached was probably already very embeded in Jewish religion and culture. It had been there since the day that Moses stood up to the Pharoh and said “let my people go”. There is no set of circumstances in the universe that could describe such an action. By time jesus came around, free will and the liberty that comes with it were probably already firmly embeded in the Jewish culture.

What wasn’t embeded in the Jewish culture was “love thy neighbor”. When the Romans took over Isreal in 100 BC, they made a deal with the Jewish leaders that they could stay in place – if they didn’t incite rebellion agains the Roman occupation. This created a delimma, because if they believed that God loved them then they would also need to believe that it was in their best interests to look out for other peoples best interest and stand up for the peoples freedom. But if they believed that He didn’t, or didn’t care, or that it wasn’t part of their nature – then it made sense to make a deal with the Romans and sell out the peoples freedoms. They made a deal with the Romans, and that is what Jesus was rebelling against.

When Jesus came in and made it in his best interest to stand up for other peoples best interest, and then got executed for it. It pretty much set a chain of events in motion, and forced a change in culture that would blow the whole Roman/Jewish deal to hell and back – and one could argue eventually set up the crash of the Roman empire

Moral. It is in our best interest to look out for other peoples best interest because it is part of the very human nature. And since none of us would like to suffer murder and death just for the sake of being true to who we are, we had better do what we can to secure and protect peoples freedoms and liberties.

Roger M July 3, 2006 at 11:03 am

David:”…the individualisim that Jesus preached was probably already very embeded in Jewish religion and culture.”

You’re right. We tend to forget that Jesus was a Jew and for the first century, Christianity was considered a Jewish sect. Pharisaism and Christianity were the only two sects to survice the Roman destruction of the temple in 70 AD. Only after the rebellion of 120 AD did Pharisees turn against their Christian brothers because the Christians refused to follow Bar Kochba, whom the Pharisees declared the Messiah.

Reactionary July 3, 2006 at 11:05 am

The key word in Moses’ declaration is “people.” Jewish identity is deeply rooted in their blood ties to each other and to the soil of their ancestral homeland.

Reactionary July 3, 2006 at 11:13 am

F.L. Light,

Am I to understand that the greatest freedom is to live as a slave to your animal passions?

F L. Light July 3, 2006 at 12:09 pm

Reactionary,

Misunderstand me if you will. Nature is not depraved. The market, operating under natural law, is not depraved. The most common bestial passions are those which cause flight or fight. I recognize those passions and control them with reason. The market recognizes those passions and rationally would prevent economic panic. The greatest freedom is to contemplate nature and rationally convey her passions in poetry, not enslaved to any passion save the procreative force of Homeric poetry.

Fairness is physiology that thrives
In competition for superlatives.

Fairness is physiology that lives
In peace and hard contentiousness survives.

Fairness is physiology set free
From darkness for effects exemplary.

A creed that prostrates reason leaves your brain
To subjugative bigots, all insane.

Submitting to coercive sanctity,
Never sustain considerate sanity.

Submitting to coercive sanctity,
Trust lessons of liturgic trumpery.

The lewdest indurately loathe free men,
Imposing ignorance on life again.

An undegraded country of restraint
With finite closures bears no fulsome taint.

An undegraded polis, gliding through
Affairs by natural law, has life in view.

Unanxious civilizers laissez-faire
In tranquil valuation would declare.

Unanxious civilizers, unenslaved
By desolate religion, reason saved.

Dmitry Chernikov July 3, 2006 at 12:17 pm

The teachings of Jesus ensompass more than just the articles of faith as summarized by the Nicene Creed. They also touch on things that are knowable by reason without the need for revelation. But, as Aquinas writes, for example, “there is nothing to prevent a man, who cannot grasp a proof, accepting, as a matter of faith, something which in itself is capable of being scientifically known and demonstrated.” Although I am not committed to Biblical inerrancy, it is highly improbable that anything would be attributed to Jesus that would be actually false. What He says has to be interpreted correctly, however, and Stephen Cox’s does a very good job doing just that.

Hey Light, there is no connection between monotheism and hostility to freeedom. On the contrary, as Cox points out, Christianity is famous for its emphasis on the worth of the individual and its stress on the need to cooperate with grace freely. Of course, “freedom of the will” is different from individual freedom in society, but nevertheless the latter actualizes the former. Mises tells a great story:

In a society based on caste and status, the individual can ascribe adverse fate to conditions beyond his own control. He is a slave because the superhuman powers that determine all becoming had assigned him this rank. It is not his doing, and there is no reason for him to be ashamed of his humbleness. His wife cannot find fault with his station. If she were to tell him: “Why are you not a duke? If you were a duke, I would be a duchess,” he would reply: “If I had been born the son of a duke, I would not have married you, a slave girl, but the daughter of another duke; that you are not a duchess is exclusively your own fault; why were you not more clever in the choice of your parents?”

It is quite another thing under capitalism. Here everybody’s station in life depends on his own doing. Everybody whose ambitions have not been fully gratified knows very well that he has missed chances, that he has been tried and found wanting by his fellowman. If his wife upbraids him: “Why do you make only eighty dollars a week? If you were as smart as your former pal, Paul, you would be a foreman and I would enjoy a better life,” he becomes conscious of his own inferiority and feels humiliated.

The much talked about sternness of capitalism consists in the fact that it handles everybody according to his contribution to the well-being of his fellowmen. The sway of the principle, to each according to his accomplishments, does not allow of any excuse for personal shortcomings. Everybody knows very well that there are people like himself who succeeded where he himself failed. Everybody knows that many of those whom he envies are self-made men who started from the same point from which he himself started. And, much worse, he knows that all other people know it too. He reads in the eyes of his wife and his children the silent reproach: “Why have you not been smarter?” He sees how people admire those who have been more successful than he and look with contempt or with pity on his failure.

Some more St. Thomas for you: “The very hiding of truth in figures is useful for the exercise of thoughtful minds and as a defense against the ridicule of the impious, according to the words ‘Give not that which is holy to dogs.’”

F L. Light July 3, 2006 at 1:54 pm

Immortally disposed like Homer, straits
I suffer, strictly purged of vagrant traits.

Evans Munyemesha July 3, 2006 at 2:17 pm

It is peculiar that Christianity and the teachings of Jesus Christ are credited with being concerned with the ‘Individual’ without offering a shred of evidence that Jesus Christ was actually a real person.

Vince Daliessio July 3, 2006 at 2:39 pm

Evans, there are at least 6 contemporary historical references to Jesus by pagan authors. See here;

http://www.lewrockwell.com/barnwell/barnwell57.html

F L. Light July 3, 2006 at 4:08 pm

Fanatics have no space for freedom, who’d
Confine the people to their certitude.

Fanatics have no space for freedom, not
Permitting variance in our common lot.

Fanatics have no space for querulous
Correction, not in queries hearing us.

Fanatics have no space for diffidence,
By giddy furor gauging sapience.

Fanatics have no space for diffidence,
Pressing dissenters into dread events.

Vince Daliessio July 3, 2006 at 4:38 pm

F.L., I hope a fanatic you judge not I, LOL

Fanatics are not content with faith,

but with perverted force dispose the creed of a Prince Of Peace (dispose indeed).

The irony of clashing faithful makes faith a test

Forbidden of the faithful as a blasphemy

And self-identifying ignorance.

Ryan Fuller July 3, 2006 at 5:22 pm

Thanks for a great article, I really enjoyed it.

Now I’ve just got to figure out why some pagan showed up and chose this site as his battlefield against monotheism. F.L. Light, just go away. You’re not contributing anything, you’re not going to win any converts, and your poetry sucks.

Sione July 3, 2006 at 6:27 pm

It is vital to understand the role of religion in history. Religous ideas are important. They form powerful philosophies which people use in their decision making and day to day living. Unfortunately some can be used to justify the doing of evil deeds. I am always please to see when religous ideas encourage the good instead; things such as individualism and freedom.

Thank you for an interesting read this morning.

Sione

RodP July 3, 2006 at 7:05 pm

I must express my disappointment that the Ludwig von Mises Institute is taking on the appearance of a religious organization. Well over half of my charitable giving over the past two years has gone to the Institute and LewRockwell.com, and I once proudly displayed links to the organizations’ web sites in my message board signatures.

I recently removed the LRC signature link, because the site seems to increasingly be endorsing religious beliefs. I was clear to me that Mr Rockwell, though a tenacious defender of liberty from government, does not share my understanding of religion. I now see that I must also remove the link to Mises.org. I can no longer be confident that a person who clicks on that link on any given day will not be presented with something which I do not wish to endorse. I will also be ceasing my charitable donations to both organizations.

There are many organizations and websites which carry and support the argument for religious belief very well. This mission is not that of the Ludwig von Mises Institute, which reads as follows:

“It is the mission of the Mises Institute to restore a high place for theory in economics and the social sciences, encourage a revival of critical historical research, and draw attention to neglected traditions in Western philosophy. In this cause, the Mises Institute works to advance the Austrian School of economics and the Misesian tradition, and, in application, defends the market economy, private property, sound money, and peaceful international relations, while opposing government intervention as economically and socially destructive.”

This saddens me deeply. Mises.org and LewRockwell.com were instrumental in the development of the philosophy which has freed my mind and transformed my life over the past two years. But I cannot with clear conscience continue to support an organization which appears to say that the study and understanding the Austrian School and its traditions, the market economy, private property, sound money, and peaceful international relations requires or is enhanced through religious belief. It most certainly was not the case with me. To the contrary, the critical thinking skills I have learned through the works of the Institute have played an important part in my leaving behind the religious beliefs of my youth.

I look forward to the day that the Ludwig von Mises Institute returns to its stated mission.

jeffrey July 3, 2006 at 8:44 pm

RodP, please, lighten up. It’s just one article, written by a well-established libertarian academic, making literary points against a popular novel–a providing a provocative argument very much along the lines of what Mises said in his book Socialism. I see no reason for this arch prose of yours. This article didn’t say you have to believe in any religion to believe in liberty. Maybe you are reading something in here that is not there?

Jim Fedako July 3, 2006 at 8:46 pm

RodP,

It will be a lonely place that is inhabited only by those who hold all of, and nothing more than, one’s own your beliefs. Other than your reflection in a mirror or the echo of your voice, you will have no other stimulation.

As a Christian, I have learned a lot about the church’s history through the .MP3 lectures of Rothbard available on the web site, and Rothbard was, to my knowledge, an atheist; as was Mises.

Additionally, I have found some articles on LewRockwell to be personally offensive as they espoused, as I interpreted them to be, anti-Christian views. But, I enjoy that web site immensely.

That this singular article did not hit the mark for you is no reason to sever ties. Your world is going to end up very closed if you let religion be the defining line of what you will consider and acknowledge. Rothbard was adamant that religion touches every aspect of history and society, whether you like it or not.

RodP July 4, 2006 at 12:19 am

Jeffrey, I’m sorry if I have offended you in any way, but I don’t think my comments were in any way “arch.” I meant (and didn’t do well to communicate) that I do not believe that the silly fiction of The Da Vinci Code is much of an enemy to liberty, nor is the Ludwig von Mises Institute the proper advocate of religion. Over the past several months, there has been no shortage of overzealous religious persons launching volley after volley at this novel. Surely, the Institute can find more dangerous villains to fight.

I find it thrilling that there are people who use their faith to fight for liberty. I very often enjoy articles from the great mind of the Calvinist, Gary North, Charles Featherstone, that gentle giant of a Muslim, the delighfully witty and entertaining Catholic, Jeffrey Tucker (might you be he?), and many others, on LRC. I even find stimulation in the writings of William Lind, though I frequently get the impression that he writes to discourage the state from overstepping its bounds, so that it may survive into the future. Their articles all fit well with the op-ed feel of LRC. However, I’ve recenlty become disheartened by the increasingly snarky and hostile jabs at non-Christians coming from some of the frequent contributors to the LRC blog. If I’m misinterpreting their intent, I apologize. But I can’t ignore the foul taste it leaves in my mouth.

I still frequently recommend LRC articles to friends and debate opponents, since there is much intellectual gold continuing to flow from the mines of LRC. However, I no longer feel comfortable giving my general endorsement of the entire site to any and all who ask me for a great resourse of information and opinion.

Today’s featured article here at Mises.org would find a welcome home at dozens of pro-liberty religious sites across the internet. It was written with passion and spirit, and will surely have a meaningful impact on people who are guided by religious faith. But Dan Brown’s bogeyman is no threat to liberty. It’s just a novel with some apparently poorly-researched religious themes. The Institute need not waste its energies and donors’ contributions on supporting an overblown war against nothing. It is possible that I may have read more into the article than was actually there, but after reading it again, I still feel that Professor Cox was aiming more at defending and promoting a religion than bringing the message of liberty to all people of the world. (In fact, it almost seems that the mention of the novel in the teaser was to attract attention; the rest of the article didn’t say much about it at all.)

If I have erred in my judgment, I apologize. I will admit that my previous comments were authored more by my emotion than my reason. I’m uncomfortable with how far the article strayed from what I perceive to be the Institute’s mission. I’ll work on counting to ten, and hopefully, Mises.org will refocus its energies on the non-fictional villains of the world.

Paul Edwards July 4, 2006 at 1:45 am

Professor Cox,

That was a fine article. Thank-you.

David July 4, 2006 at 3:04 am

verily, one interprets the Bible any way one likes – hence the ceaseless argument among Christians these last 2000 years. So anyone with a libertarian bent will easily be able to comb through both testaments and find a few bits of text to support his position. Ditto for socialism. And the anti-homosexuality brigade. And, in times past, the supporters of slavery. As a source of firm authority for any viewpoint, the Bible is wholly inadequate. I regard it as a semi-mythologised social history in which the mythology is hopelessly intertwined with historical fact.

Frankly, I don’t see the principles of individualism at work in most modern Christianity, with perhaps a handful of , er, individual exceptions – I have yet to meet a flesh-and-blood Christian who is prepared to support, on principle, the removal of legal prohibitions against any behaviour he disapproves of himself, and I daily see hysterical calls for yet more prohibitions and sanctions against the percieved evils du jour coming from pastors of all stripes. ( for example, one in my home town fulminating against the local grocery store being granted a wine license – O the horror! I have a problem with that too, but for a different reason – the very fact that a license is even required is an abomination against freedom, and I dont even drink wine!).

And, at least in this country, the strident calls for the re-introduction of the death penalty are by far the loudest from the Christian corner.

Mark Sunwall July 4, 2006 at 3:22 am

There is something that has disturbed me for some time on both Rockwell’s site and with this article the Mises site and that is what I can only describe as Gnostic-bashing. “Gnostic” turns out to be a scholarly constuct which doesn’t antedate the 18th century, a term of convenience to lump together sects which lost out to the most popular current of Christianity which self-designated itself “catholic”. They had precious little in common, for example some were highly acetic and others were libertine.

This should only be a matter of scholarly interest, but I have noticed “gnostic” being used as a pejorative term by several writers on Rockwell com and now (if only by implication) by a writer on Mises. Obviously it is considered tacky to use words like “heathen” and “infidel” these days, and “gnostic” has just enough mystery and ambiguity to invite the reader to fill in the blank with a religious group or philosophy he or she dispises. Instantly everybody becomes a Gnostic: Karl Marx, Thomas Jefferson, Tom Hanks. As a rehtorical position it may have a long half-life of utility, but it is very much contrary to the spirit of Ludwig von Mises and his modes of expression.

Of course “The DaVinci Code” is far-fetched. Since religious sects multiply with abandon it might even be described as a “gnostic” manifesto. But it is just one sect (as it happens, a French legitimist and ultraconservative one) which got classified as “gnostic” and has nothing to do with
the movements in classical antiquity (Valentinianism, Basilidianism etc.) which are labeled “gnostic” for purposes of simplification.

I think the people at Mises Institute are doing a great job of spreading the freedom message, but in this rhetorical point I think their editorial policy has made a step in the wrong direction. Furthermore I have a hypothesis as to how this happened. Some person or persons have been influenced by the thought of Eric Voeglin, a prime influence on conservative thought. Now Voeglin may have been a deep thinker but his use of “gnostic” to designate what might better be termed millenarian or chiliastic thinking is disingenious.

Now Voeglin may be right in his debunking of secularist-eschatological thinking, but to slip Voeglinian ideas into Misesian, let alone Rothbardian-libertarian context without identifying their source is playing with a stacked deck.

Indeed, I strongly suspect that a dyed in the wool Voeglinian would reseve a special term of abuse for Rothbard’s brand of libertarianism: Gnosticism.

TokyoTom July 4, 2006 at 4:41 am

I’m with Mark. Cox’s piece seems to me to be one of advocacy of a particular reading of the scriptures of a particular faith – why? To defend his view of his faith? To promote an individualism grounded in a particular faith? It’s purpose, and place here, seem rather ill-defined.

In any case, one disposed to could quite as easily present a polar interpretation of the New Testament, such as that here: http://www.nyu.edu/projects/ollman/docs/practical_christianity.php.

Peter July 4, 2006 at 5:49 am

I think the people at Mises Institute are doing a great job of spreading the freedom message, but in this rhetorical point I think their editorial policy has made a step in the wrong direction.

There’s an editorial policy?

JCR July 4, 2006 at 6:17 am

Could one find reasons in the New Testament to run the world under a socialist regime? Most probably yes. Just like one can read the US constitution in such a way that socialism is what the fathers intended. Maybe it would be interesting to see how government people interpreted the New Testament to have things their way in the political arena. In the end, the error is to believe that those texts have a meaning without interpretation. One needs to recognize that they are food for thought and not ultimate truth.

M E Hoffer July 4, 2006 at 6:32 am

JCR,

This: “Just like one can read the US constitution in such a way that socialism is what the fathers intended.” — I’d like to see. Have you seen anyone do this? Yourself, perchance? Would you have links or, possibly, an example?

Thanks, in advance~

RogerM July 4, 2006 at 8:15 am

To those who oppose the mention of religion on this site, you’re education is seriously lacking if you don’t understand the contributions Christianity made to the progress of liberty. In addition, many scientists believe that modern science could have developed no where but in Christian Europe.

To those who believe you can use the Bible to prove any point, not if you want to be honest about it. Commonly accepted rules for interpreting all literature are found in the discipline of hermeneutics, but they’re little more than principles of honesty. When applied to the Bible, the range of interpretations is quite small. Differences among Christian interpretations has more to do with differences in adherence to the principles of hermeneutics than to the nature of the Bible.

JCR July 4, 2006 at 8:51 am

M E Hoffer. According to the well-publicized case “Kelo versus New London”, socialism is clearly in the Constitution and private property is quite a shaky concept! I don’t think this was the fathers’ intentions. It might be that current interpreters of the Constitution understand that they are straying from the fathers’ intentions… In any case that points to the “flexibility” of those texts. But I am feeling bad here not to stick to the Bible issue and getting offtopic with my analogy. Sorry! I am sure mises.org will publish something on private property and the Constitution sooner or later…
Can you use the Bible to prove any point? I think so and I observe that people with wide different opinions still refer to the same Bible. The Liberation Theology versus the Vatican for instance. Which side is “dishonest”? Well that depends on which side you are on!

M E Hoffer July 4, 2006 at 9:16 am

JCR,

I hear you, re: Kelo and SCOTUS’ “flexible” interpretation of the Constitution.

I had thought that, maybe, you had come across a “formal” treatment that had distilled the Constitution as supporting “Socialism”.

On topic: It seems to me that this is a good example of why the Founding Fathers were adamant in regard to the separation of Church & State.

They well knew the passions aroused by religion, of any denomination. That those passions are Personal and inviduals should have Liberty to pursue them, as they chose. For the State to prescribe a religion, out of the potential many, would proscribe the Liberty of the Many, to bless the few.

Though today’s state seems to be doing just that in so many other pursuits.

With this: http://www.law.indiana.edu/uslawdocs/declaration.html

If you haven’t read it in awhile, you may be taken by the many absolute parallels to our very day, 4 July 2006.

Marco de Innocentis July 4, 2006 at 12:20 pm

David C. wrote:

What wasn’t embeded in the Jewish culture was “love thy neighbor”

Oh really? “V’ahavta l’reyahkha kamokha” (and you shall love your neighbor as yourself). Leviticus, 19:18.

TGGP July 4, 2006 at 1:03 pm

I was under the impression that the founding fathers were NOT adamant on “separation of church and state”. Nearly every state had laws against blasphemy and many had established state churches. Thomas Jefferson himself, who wrote the phrase “separation of church in state” in a letter to a baptist minister, thought it was perfectly within the rights of the states to legislate religious matters, as the 10th amendment guaranteed them free reign in pretty everything except treaties, minting of money and so on.

I don’t see why discussing the individualism of the Da Vinci Code is any more egregious than doing the same for “Cars”. I haven’t seen the latter and regret reading the former. Both Mises articles were much preferable.

M E Hoffer July 4, 2006 at 9:31 pm

TCCG,

you posit : “I was under the impression that the founding fathers were NOT adamant on “separation of church and state”. Nearly every state had laws against blasphemy and many had established state churches.”

Does the Constitution enumerate the Rights of the several States?

Does the Constitution, as adopted, in the whole, proscribe the establishment of an “official” Religion?

jeffrey July 4, 2006 at 9:35 pm

RodP, I do see your point, and I do thank you for clarifying. Hope you keep reading!

Jeffrey Tucker

Bob Black July 5, 2006 at 1:56 am

Rod P & others,

While I agree with your concerns, I think a more subtle but onerous concern should be the matter of ommision rather than commission
An endeavor to “Restore a high place for theory in economics and the social sciences . . .” must necessarily involve attempting to establish economics as a Scientific discipline; and to that end, philosophical underpinnings must be examined and established. Certainly, no one should want the role that religion might have played in this to be left out. And as you pointed out, LRC.com and Mises.com leave no dearth here. And I, a non-theist, truley enjoy these articles and find them, for the most part, edifying.
But I also find them often, but not always (depending upon who author’s them) lacking in scientific methodology . . . a concern which, as I pointed out, is required for the stated goals. Wheather the author was just so focused on making his religiouly held point or actually intended on leaving out a non-theistic alternative (even if only a mention thereof), an act of ommission occurred. That, in itself, is also instructive of the article (and the author), that the scientific method of multiple working hypothesis was not being applied, but it detracts considerably from the edifying impact that the article could have had.
Should LRC.com and Mises.com adopt an editorial policy that incorporates my concern, I think they might attract some very good writers who otherwise refuse to submit articles because they do not want to appear to endorse in any way the unscientific views of the few who lack such discipline.

Will Shetterly July 5, 2006 at 11:42 am

“We may recall that on one occasion, and one occasion only, Jesus advised a wealthy would-be follower to give up all his possessions (Mark 10:17-22). That was a challenge for that particular individual. So far as we know, it was never posed to anyone else.”

Are you saying that was irrelevant and should’ve been left out of the Bible? I must disagree.

I also think these things are in the Bible because they are supposed to matter to us all:

“He who has two coats, let him share with him who has none; and he who has food, let him do likewise.” –Luke 3.11

“And all who believed were together and had all things in common; and they sold their possessions and goods and distributed them to all, as any had need.” –Acts 2.44-45

Roger M July 5, 2006 at 12:35 pm

Bob writes: “But I also find them often, but not always (depending upon who author’s them) lacking in scientific methodology.”

What may be lacking in the way of scientific method when talking about religion is the application of hermeneutical principles. Hermeneutics wasn’t created just to annoy undergrads. It intends to corall the imagination and apply reason to the interpretation of texts. The elementary principles are 1) determine who the author is, 2) who the audience is, then 3) what did the author intend to say to that audience, 4) context must rule interpretation.

For example, in Mark 10:17-22 when Jesus instructed the rich young man to give all he had to the poor, Jesus was responding to the question, What must I do to inherit eternal life? Jesus gave him the stock reply first: Follow the law. The young man said that he had done so perfectly. Jesus then tells him to give all he has to the poor. Jesus wasn’t expounding upon economic principles, but was responding directly to the young man’s question.

In the context of the rest of Jesus’ teachings, and the rest of the New Testament, we would be wrong to assume that Jesus required poverty as the price of entering His kingdom (or eternal life, they’re intechangeable). As Cox pointed out, Jesus never asked that of another rich person, although many followed Him. Neither did the other New Testament writers.

So what was Jesus’ point? It’s most likely that Jesus was trying to get the young man to examine his character. Jesus’s principle teaching was that all men are sinners. No one could keep the law perfectly and everyone needs God’s forgiveness, but the young man didn’t think he was a sinner. He thought he had kept the law perfectly. By asking the young man to give up his wealth, Jesus may have been pointing to his sin of greed.

I apologize for the Sunday School lesson, but I wanted to show that Bible interpretation can follow scientific principles, called hermeneutics, and that you can’t take single verses out of context and build any kind of philosophy upon it that you want.

David Spellman July 5, 2006 at 2:08 pm

As many have stated, it is true that support for almost any point of view can be found in the Bible. The article was trying to show an individualistic theme in the New Testament. That could be beneficial for those who have faith in Christianity. That is also advantageous for those who do not believe in Christianity but hope for libertarian progress.

I would welcome articles showing support for libertarian principles in all religious traditions, even though I don’t believe in those religions. Even if I believed in no religion whatsoever, I would welcome information that persuaded my neighbors to support virtue.

I don’t understand why people would be offended by a libertarian analysis of the teachings of Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, or Confucious. That goes for believers and unbelievers. If we discuss economics in a “religion free” context, then how can we overcome incorrect ideas held by those who do not understand the implications of their misinterpretations of religious doctrine?

False doctrine has been used at all times in all places to promote social and political agendas. Some people have the irrational faith that God would not allow anyone to do evil in his name (and they will criticize me for saying so, no doubt), but it seems clear to me that God does not strike people with lightning very often. We must carefully evaluate our views of everything in life and try to figure out whether we are in possesion of the truth.

So I fear for the intellectual well-being of the believers and unbelievers who stridently oppose any discussion of economics in the context of religion. I say, “Let’s hear more about pragmatic economics in different religions!” I can handle the criticism of my own religion just fine.

leigh miesse July 5, 2006 at 7:14 pm

We may recall that on one occasion, and one occasion only, Jesus advised a wealthy would-be follower to give up all his possessions (Mark 10:17-22). That was a challenge for that particular individual. So far as we know, it was never posed to anyone else.

Thanks for the clarification. Great article.
Leigh Miesse

Frank January 12, 2011 at 2:31 pm

This article is absurd. It uses examples of stories and individuals to say the bible is about individualism. Well of course the bible has moral stories, and individuals are moral actors, these stories are commonplace. Simply the fact that a few individuals must learn lessons and act against the grain doesn’t equal individualism. (1) They are doing it for God, which is fundamentally not individualistic. In fact, our souls participate in gods soul, or are an extension or image of it. (2) In breaking away from Jewish norms, and following Jesus, Jesus is like the rebellious religious leader of the time. Perhaps today he would be a Marxist? of course not, but that’s a stupid, ideologically immature inference for a Marxist to make, and a stupid, ideologically immature inference for a right-libertarian to be involved in making. (3) The author ignores when Jesus preaches — it is much easier to infer for your own purposes when you look at his deeds and interpret them, but not at his actual words, where we could probably infer some rather collectivistic talk, but it is will be hard to see any direct preaching about individualism — that individualism must be inferred by libertarians. Its ridiculous to attribute Austrian values (really, values created in the past few decades by right-libertarians, using outdated, early capitalist ideologies as a crutch. (4) Lastly, individualism is applied so widely that it loses its meaning and associations. Does it mean acting for God? Does it mean being a rebellious person who has the right view of morality? Does being individualistic mean that you pursue your own interests but not Gods, not the societies, and other people around you? “Look at all those individuals, and they are doing things! And they are against the norm! And well, even he wasn’t against the norm and doing what he thinks he is right, he is still an individualist! So we are all individualists, every one of us, just because we are individuals acting. That means I can find individualists in my religious texts that match my Austrian views!” A good analysis will not infer more than what is contained in the examples, and the word “individualism” is abstract, nonoperational term to be using to describe the actors in the bible — it is a huge scretch, as a descriptive term, to jump from “people who act for jesus, not for the jewish corrupt society” to “individualism” that we know today.

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