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Source link: http://blog.mises.org/10917/lets-just-pretend-there-is-no-reality-for-a-few-years-and-see-what-happens/

Let’s just pretend there is no reality for a few years and see what happens

October 26, 2009 by

{ 22 comments }

Giant_Joe October 26, 2009 at 10:07 pm

That’s one way to boost GDP! :D

Bruce Koerber October 26, 2009 at 10:10 pm

http://economicnumbskulls.blogspot.com/
Monday, October 26, 2009

Lies of the Dumb, Dumber, And Dumbest (Yeah Like Krugman!)

What did the Keynesian say to the hapless generations?
We’re all dead in the long-run!

What did the empirical economist proclaim from his (or her) pulpit?
We owe it to ourselves!

What do the ego-driven interventionists (politicians) say to those dumb enough to listen?
The government is here to serve!

Andrew T October 27, 2009 at 12:39 am

Let’s just pretend there is no future and that the US will follow the USSR’s footsteps to economic implosion….

Jake October 27, 2009 at 2:02 am

Is it more useful to analyze a graph of the federal deficit as a percentage of GDP? Such as: http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_deficit_chart.html

If so, then it appears as if we’ve been in worse situations in the past than we are right now. Thoughts?

danny October 27, 2009 at 2:30 am

Jake — “If so, then it appears as if we’ve been in worse situations in the past than we are right now.”

The US actually made things that others found worth buying in the times previous. There was no Germany, no Japan to compete with these products. Today the US can export military equipment (after the government gives the “buyer” some money with which to buy), and any high tech gadgets we sell are made in China. I cannot think of much more — we even have to buy swine flu vacine from foreign sources.

The unfunded liabilities were a drop in the bucket compared to today’s overhang. My guess is that personal debt as a percent of household net worth or income was smaller compared to today.

Just a few observations.

João Paulo Magalhães October 27, 2009 at 6:08 am

Since it uses debt in absolute terms, the graph is strongly biased to the present debt. Until the 1940s, the graph is pancake flat, which is certainly not informative.

The graph should use debt in %GDP, or as danny suggests, personal debt as a percent of household net worth or income.

Justin October 27, 2009 at 7:13 am

Jeffery,

Do you have more pictures of Salamanca? I’m trying to convince my wife to take a trip there.

jeffrey October 27, 2009 at 7:30 am

We didn’t take a photographer with us. We are hoping for some images at some point. however, search flickr and you will find amazing things.

Mr Eko October 27, 2009 at 7:48 am

This is a clear indication that we need to spend more, to prop up aggregate demand, and stimulate future economic growth.

Igor Panarin October 27, 2009 at 9:45 am

The predictions of Igor Panarin are becoming more and more true each and every day.

Lee October 27, 2009 at 10:10 am

I like how the WWII dip compares to this one.

bob October 27, 2009 at 10:46 am

Here’s a blog I assembled a while ago on this. This looks at gov’t deficits in terms of GDP, money supply, and consumer prices.

http://meambobbo.blogspot.com/2009/03/deficits.html

George October 27, 2009 at 11:03 am

“Lee

I like how the WWII dip compares to this one”

That’s because this graph does not adjust for changes in the purchasing power of the dollar. Granted, the situation today is not the best, but if you assume your readers are intelligent then you shouldn’t present the data in such a skewed manner.

Wayan October 27, 2009 at 11:17 am

This is why economics is not considered science.

Ben Ranson October 27, 2009 at 11:57 am

Wayan is right. There is no scientific way of adjusting the value of dollars to account for an increase in the supply of dollars.

Lee October 27, 2009 at 12:50 pm

“That’s because this graph does not adjust for changes in the purchasing power of the dollar.”

Really? I can’t buy a cigar for a dime anymore? I have to tell my milkman about THIS.

Lee October 27, 2009 at 12:50 pm

“That’s because this graph does not adjust for changes in the purchasing power of the dollar.”

Really? I can’t buy a cigar for a dime anymore? I have to tell my milkman about THIS.

mr_gorbachov_rebuild_this_wall October 27, 2009 at 1:38 pm

I propose we Audi the fed. Make all officials lay in down in the street, then run over them with this stout
German made auto.

George October 27, 2009 at 2:37 pm

Looking at the US treasury debt on http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt.htm

The pages for 1950-1999 and 2000-2008 only show an increasing debt year after year. There aren’t any decreases, only increases in debt.

So the budget “surplus” in the chart in this article isn’t real…

Christopher Chantrill October 27, 2009 at 8:50 pm

I’d suggest this helpful chart of Federal Debt as Percent of GDP from 1792 to present.

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_debt_chart.html

George October 27, 2009 at 9:38 pm

Christopher, that’s an interesting page and the charts are very flexible. I find, however, that selecting “federal deficit” that it shows a period of “surplus” around 2000. However the debt never decreased during that period as can be seen on the same page by selecting “federal debt”. So there is some “fancy” accounting going on (If there was a real surplus the total debt should go down, however it never did).

Matt October 28, 2009 at 1:29 am

I don’t see any reason we can’t achieve a GDP of $15 quadrillion within a few years!
‘Til then, let this be our theme song:
Everything You Know is Wrong, by Weird Al
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGC09B810Yk

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