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Source link: http://blog.mises.org/10173/krugmans-intellectual-waterloo/

Krugman’s Intellectual Waterloo

June 22, 2009 by

And what about Krugman’s strawman protests that he didn’t cause the housing bubble, much less the Enron scandal or Kennedy’s assassination? The man is willfully missing the point. What is damning about these quotes is not that he necessarily caused anything. What is devastating about them is that they expose the intellectual bankruptcy of his economic principles. FULL ARTICLE

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Jack June 22, 2009 at 10:04 pm

Krugman apologists need to get over themselves…

These are his words in THIS YEAR (see first comment):

“To be honest, a new bubble now would help us out a lot even if we paid for it later. This is a really good time for a bubble… There was a headline in a satirical newspaper in the US last summer that said: ‘The nation demands a new bubble to invest in,’ and that’s pretty much right.” – Krugman, 2009

Magnus June 22, 2009 at 10:08 pm

Besides being irrelevant, how very odd that you should raise these questions since above you’ve stated clearly, and I quote…

“I find it particularly interesting when a commenter focuses not on the topic at hand, but on the blog authors’ supposed intentions when he decided to make the post.”

The distinction you fail to make, and the solution to the difficulty you seem to be having, is that, like me, you are a blog commenter, whereas in my quote, I was referring to the tendency of blog commenters to snipe at a blog’s author, griping about what the author chooses to talk about and how he does it.

You’re the audience. They are the hosts. If you want to be a host, and thus get to talk about whatever you want to talk about, however you want to talk about it, then go be a host. It’s nearly free. All you need is the intellectual firepower, marketing skill and dedication to build an appealing body of work, and develop your own audience.

Ah, but that is easier said than done! It’s MUCH easier to latch onto someone else’s blog, after they have done all the work of building an audience, then try to tell them how to run it.

Your behavior and attitude is reminiscent of sci-fi fans, who, merely by virtue of being sycophants and hangers-on of someone’s body of work, feel that they have acquired some kind of quasi-proprietary interest in the subject matter, and thus have the right to have their opinions and suggestions taken into account by the creator of it.

And when their unsolicited suggestions are insufficiently implemented, they get strangely angry, as though they have been wronged somehow, slighted, cast aside, taken advantage of.

Justin June 22, 2009 at 11:00 pm

Hey Lilburne, what a brilliant article; well-written. More please.

jscote June 23, 2009 at 1:42 am

So I guess the bottom line is that we are supposed to believe that Republican Alan Greenspan – in the GW Bush administration no less – took the advice of arch liberal critic Krugman – and created the housing bubble to cure a comparatively small economic problem in 2002? If you believe that, you might also believe that the real strategy was the classic preparation for bankruptcy – distribute as much wealth to the inner circle as possible – and then leave the inevitable Democrat successors with the economic disaster we’re now facing.

E. G. Pohlhausen June 23, 2009 at 2:20 am

Where was the outcry of Krugman’s students, collegues, faculty, ivy-league business schools?

Who of them did think of the consequences, all those poor mislead citizens, borrowers, lenders? Did they anticipate these?

Henry Hazlitt once said: .”… the whole difference between good economics and bad. The bad economist sees only what immediately strikes the eye; the good economist also looks beyond.”

Brian Macker June 23, 2009 at 2:46 am

jscote,

Krugman is being criticized for his theories and the ideas he advocates, not any direct influence he may or may not actually have. Is that so hard to understand? I guess for some people it is.

Krugman is one of a whole host of economists who give bad advice to politicians in general, whether listened to or not. He’s also very popular with economic ignoramuses in general.

He advocated what are obviously bad policies then and is doing so now. Doesn’t matter if Bush, Greenspan, or Obama ever heard of him. He’s still responsible for “intellectual bankruptcy of his economic principles.”

What’s amazing is that this was pointed out in the four sentences of the article presented as a synopsis and yet you were still to thick to get it.

Brian Macker June 23, 2009 at 2:46 am

jscote,

Krugman is being criticized for his theories and the ideas he advocates, not any direct influence he may or may not actually have. Is that so hard to understand? I guess for some people it is.

Krugman is one of a whole host of economists who give bad advice to politicians in general, whether listened to or not. He’s also very popular with economic ignoramuses in general.

He advocated what are obviously bad policies then and is doing so now. Doesn’t matter if Bush, Greenspan, or Obama ever heard of him. He’s still responsible for “intellectual bankruptcy of his economic principles.”

What’s amazing is that this was pointed out in the four sentences of the article presented as a synopsis and yet you were still too thick to get it.

Yancey Ward June 23, 2009 at 10:48 am

You have to be careful when you judge the critical content of Krugman’s comment sections. He and Brad DeLong carefully edit out any substantive criticisms on their blogs and leave only those that are clearly insubstantial and/or mentally unhinged. Both are basically intellectually dishonest.

Mark Davis June 23, 2009 at 10:52 am

For a school of economic thought that focuses so heavily on empirical data it is odd that being proven wrong over and over again seems to have so little affect on their positions. Keynesians calling Austrians ideologues with a straight face obviously requires years of indoctrination by dedicated cultists. While it may be impossible to reach out to Krugman’s Zombies, amusing articles like this play well on Main Street. The battle for street-cred between those whom “idolize” government intervention and those whom “idolize” free markets is no contest. The ivory tower trolls desperately fighting a rear guard action to cover the Keynesian retreat comes off as rather pathetic. Press on!

Jason Gordon June 23, 2009 at 11:22 am

Yancy Ward, I’m sorry if my comments to Krugman’s blog post were too milquetoast for you.

19. June 17, 2009 11:00 am

So you’re agnostic — or were in 2002 — about whether the Fed should pursue “traction” as a policy?

So that we’re all clear, what exactly is meant by the term “traction” when used in this context? Is it the opposite of contraction, i.e. expansion?

93. June 18, 2009 8:30 am

Why would the esteemed columnist distance himself from the wisdom of his economic forebearer?

“The remedy for the boom is not a higher rate of interest but a lower rate of interest! For that may enable the so-called boom to last. The right remedy for the trade cycle is not to be found in abolishing booms and thus keeping us permanently in a semi-slump; but in abolishing slumps and keeping us permanently in a quasi-boom.”
John Maynard Keynes, The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money (1936), 322.

Certainly Mr. Krugman doesn’t deny advocating such policy — even going so far as to suggest the equivalent of negative interest rates — i.e. inflation?

“Some economists have argued for moderate inflation as a deliberate policy, as a way to encourage lending and reduce private debt burdens. I’m sympathetic to these arguments and made a similar case for Japan in the 1990s.”
Paul Krugman, “The Big Inflation Scare,” New York Times, May 28, 2009, Opinion section, online edition.

I don’t think that the censorship is any more than the Times’ policy, considering this comment once made it through. As a general rule when posting comments; WRITE SOMETHING WORTH READING.

Yancey Ward June 23, 2009 at 1:50 pm

Jason,

Don’t know your secret, but I have had every comment ever made on those blogs disappeared down the hole, and I am rarely uncivil or content free. I simply make the error of countering Krugman’s and DeLong’s assertions with facts or differing interpretations.

My guess is that Krugman’s blog is more haphazardly monitored, and, thus, more reasonable counterarguments make it through. DeLong’s is like a brick wall. Some comments make it through and disappear within 5 minutes. The longest any comment I made on his site lasted was 2 hours, but I did post that one 4 a.m. PST. It disappeared by the time the sun rose in California.

FTG June 23, 2009 at 3:44 pm

Jscote,

So I guess the bottom line is that we are supposed to believe that Republican Alan Greenspan[...]

Would you feel outraged if Greenspan was a Democrat? Or would you just not mention it, out of expediency?

Greenspan’s political affiliation is meaningless when it comes to the competency of his economic policies.

[...] took the advice of arch liberal critic Krugman – and created the housing bubble to cure a comparatively small economic problem in 2002?

No, the commentator is indicating that Krugman, far from being the soothsayer he fancies himself to be, is a charlatan that espoused the very same economic “solutions” that lead to the Great Bubble. He was not advising Greenspan to do anything, he was basically agreeing with Greenspan’s policies.

Brian Macker June 24, 2009 at 6:16 am

Surprisingly my comment on Krugman’s blog got through and stayed up this time. I’ve had them vanish before.

Brad Delong’s is much more consistent in “pruning comments”. He’s been doing it from at least 2005.

To quote Brad, “OK. Time to cut this off and prune it down to something useful…” That was on a comment thread where he was completely eviscerated. He posted that comment and then went back in and deleted all the comments he could not respond to intellectually.

Oh, and BTW, Brad Delong was more directly responsible for the internet bubble, than Krugman ever will be for the housing bubble, because he was an economic advisor of the Clinton administration.

It’s not just the Keynesian’s that do this either. Mish’s economic blog does the same thing. I wrote a comment response to his article, “http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/06/big-inflationist-scare.html”, on his blog and he moderated it into the vacuum. I’ve got a copy which I plan to turn into a blog post.

It’s clear from his article that he didn’t understand North’s position and doesn’t fully understand Austrian economics, or even the workings of the Fed.

Look at this claim: “Thus, if banks had to pay interest on reserves, rather than causing mass inflation, the Fed would cause mass panic. Indeed, the likely result would be banks scrambling for dollars to repay the Fed as opposed to a mad dash to lend dollars.”

He thinks inflationists are “ridiculous” when he doesn’t even understand that the banks own the reserves they hold at the Fed. There is nothing to repay.

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